1 00:00:05,900 --> 00:00:04,220 - one yeah yeah and it hits me oh my 2 00:00:07,010 --> 00:00:05,910 gosh this is that triangle 3 00:00:08,150 --> 00:00:07,020 you know there's explanation for 4 00:00:09,470 --> 00:00:08,160 everything that occurred in the 5 00:00:11,930 --> 00:00:09,480 Rendlesham forest incident 6 00:00:14,600 --> 00:00:11,940 it doesn't involve aliens at all it was 7 00:00:18,140 --> 00:00:14,610 completely silent it comes right over 8 00:00:19,970 --> 00:00:18,150 our head it's so classic flying-saucer 9 00:00:21,590 --> 00:00:19,980 really standing in the clearing he 10 00:00:23,240 --> 00:00:21,600 turned over to my father and held his 11 00:00:29,720 --> 00:00:23,250 hand and he looked in his eyes and said 12 00:00:32,359 --> 00:00:29,730 we're not alone welcome to podcast UFO 13 00:00:34,190 --> 00:00:32,369 for our live show we're live every 14 00:00:38,330 --> 00:00:34,200 Wednesday at 8 p.m. Eastern Standard 15 00:00:40,250 --> 00:00:38,340 Time on podcast UFO calm during the show 16 00:00:42,950 --> 00:00:40,260 feel free to participate live in our 17 00:00:46,279 --> 00:00:42,960 chat room and don't forget to Like us on 18 00:00:48,799 --> 00:00:46,289 our very active Facebook page hello and 19 00:00:51,979 --> 00:00:48,809 welcome to the show everyone I'm Martin 20 00:00:55,850 --> 00:00:51,989 will assure host just a a quick little 21 00:00:57,590 --> 00:00:55,860 announcement here the Monday show that 22 00:01:00,139 --> 00:00:57,600 I've been doing everything else show was 23 00:01:01,490 --> 00:01:00,149 kind of like an experiment I wanted to 24 00:01:03,590 --> 00:01:01,500 see how that worked I really enjoyed it 25 00:01:06,500 --> 00:01:03,600 a lot different topics and everything 26 00:01:08,359 --> 00:01:06,510 now I'm not saying that I'm going to 27 00:01:10,670 --> 00:01:08,369 stop doing that all together I'm 28 00:01:14,480 --> 00:01:10,680 thinking of changing things around the 29 00:01:16,370 --> 00:01:14,490 shows on hold for a while and really to 30 00:01:17,710 --> 00:01:16,380 be honest with you I really kind of bit 31 00:01:20,539 --> 00:01:17,720 off a little more than I could chew 32 00:01:22,310 --> 00:01:20,549 because I've been extremely busy and 33 00:01:26,660 --> 00:01:22,320 it's been really stressing me out so 34 00:01:28,219 --> 00:01:26,670 that show is going to change and there 35 00:01:31,580 --> 00:01:28,229 may be a couple of other changes nothing 36 00:01:34,280 --> 00:01:31,590 bad though I don't think so 37 00:01:36,410 --> 00:01:34,290 I should be making an announcement I 38 00:01:40,160 --> 00:01:36,420 believe next week our guest next week 39 00:01:42,109 --> 00:01:40,170 couldn't be Jeremy Korbel but tonight 40 00:01:42,580 --> 00:01:42,119 coming up in just a minute is Alejandro 41 00:01:46,100 --> 00:01:42,590 Rojas 42 00:01:48,679 --> 00:01:46,110 with the UFO updates and my good friend 43 00:01:50,420 --> 00:01:48,689 Lee Spiegel will be on we're going to be 44 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to the whole show you can 59 00:02:25,670 --> 00:02:21,930 listen to it on the Dark Matter digital 60 00:02:28,149 --> 00:02:25,680 network that's Thursday nights from 12 I 61 00:02:30,670 --> 00:02:28,159 mean I'm sorry from 10 to midnight and 62 00:02:33,490 --> 00:02:30,680 so that's it for me for right now 63 00:02:37,610 --> 00:02:33,500 Alejandra what's happening how are you 64 00:02:40,490 --> 00:02:37,620 I'm well how are you my friend good good 65 00:02:42,920 --> 00:02:40,500 so while what is going on in the great 66 00:02:46,729 --> 00:02:42,930 state of the warm state of Arizona we 67 00:02:50,479 --> 00:02:46,739 got snow snow here yeah I know you know 68 00:02:53,449 --> 00:02:50,489 what the other states are just in a 69 00:02:55,399 --> 00:02:53,459 terrible the weather is awful they're 70 00:02:58,160 --> 00:02:55,409 getting snow they're getting low 71 00:03:00,619 --> 00:02:58,170 temperatures it's horrific what's 72 00:03:03,550 --> 00:03:00,629 happening throughout the country in 73 00:03:06,080 --> 00:03:03,560 states other than those out south here 74 00:03:07,940 --> 00:03:06,090 like Arizona and California I went to 75 00:03:10,039 --> 00:03:07,950 Florida in a too long ago for a short 76 00:03:12,800 --> 00:03:10,049 period of time just a couple days ago 77 00:03:14,479 --> 00:03:12,810 and it was wonderful there we had to 78 00:03:17,360 --> 00:03:14,489 connect through Colorado Springs but I 79 00:03:22,369 --> 00:03:17,370 was able to witness the devastating 80 00:03:24,619 --> 00:03:22,379 coldness that and the pain and the 81 00:03:28,520 --> 00:03:24,629 difficulty that that can cause just in 82 00:03:30,949 --> 00:03:28,530 in breathing or just functioning life is 83 00:03:33,470 --> 00:03:30,959 difficult in those situations I'm glad 84 00:03:36,379 --> 00:03:33,480 not to let my godoh in the winter yeah 85 00:03:38,629 --> 00:03:36,389 anymore that's for sure I know I'm not a 86 00:03:40,360 --> 00:03:38,639 fan of snow anymore especially after 87 00:03:44,449 --> 00:03:40,370 last year you know yeah you know 88 00:03:48,259 --> 00:03:44,459 conference Congress because I had you 89 00:03:51,409 --> 00:03:48,269 know nine-foot snow banks yeah I'm not a 90 00:03:53,479 --> 00:03:51,419 fan anymore yeah that's why old people 91 00:03:56,030 --> 00:03:53,489 retired and we're getting old that's 92 00:03:59,330 --> 00:03:56,040 what it is yeah we move south I know I 93 00:04:02,569 --> 00:03:59,340 hate to face that yeah so what's going 94 00:04:04,640 --> 00:04:02,579 on with in the UFO world with you foes 95 00:04:06,979 --> 00:04:04,650 there's a lot of stuff going on and of 96 00:04:08,330 --> 00:04:06,989 course it's just because the tabloids I 97 00:04:11,170 --> 00:04:08,340 think you know I've talked about this 98 00:04:15,289 --> 00:04:11,180 before in the era of UK tabloid and 99 00:04:17,719 --> 00:04:15,299 begrudgingly I've posted more tabloid 100 00:04:20,870 --> 00:04:17,729 stuff lately because they actually are 101 00:04:23,750 --> 00:04:20,880 picking up on some good stories here and 102 00:04:26,659 --> 00:04:23,760 there but it is far and few between 103 00:04:27,410 --> 00:04:26,669 otherwise they're picking up on a lot of 104 00:04:30,590 --> 00:04:27,420 really silly 105 00:04:33,230 --> 00:04:30,600 stuff out there and so if you see these 106 00:04:35,060 --> 00:04:33,240 links and these stories to kind of the 107 00:04:37,640 --> 00:04:35,070 more silly stuff I you know we just 108 00:04:39,950 --> 00:04:37,650 don't cover it the the goofy in fact 109 00:04:43,040 --> 00:04:39,960 there's just one a big one that's it's 110 00:04:46,400 --> 00:04:43,050 kind of making around these UFOs over 111 00:04:51,560 --> 00:04:46,410 China Lake in California and it's like 112 00:04:54,140 --> 00:04:51,570 this silver mirror finish kind of disc 113 00:04:56,480 --> 00:04:54,150 not even disc it's hard to even describe 114 00:04:58,100 --> 00:04:56,490 kind of this object have you seen it 115 00:05:00,560 --> 00:04:58,110 you're not talking about the doughnut 116 00:05:02,180 --> 00:05:00,570 one are you is that something no no not 117 00:05:05,870 --> 00:05:02,190 the doughnut that is something else 118 00:05:08,960 --> 00:05:05,880 notice you'll run across a mm-hmm 119 00:05:11,540 --> 00:05:08,970 oh yeah Marty Antonio who does the photo 120 00:05:14,270 --> 00:05:11,550 an analysis for MUFON and some people 121 00:05:15,980 --> 00:05:14,280 know open minds UFO group I've looked it 122 00:05:18,320 --> 00:05:15,990 over and pointed out a lot of problems 123 00:05:20,000 --> 00:05:18,330 with these pictures but I had a feeling 124 00:05:21,500 --> 00:05:20,010 that there's gonna be more news about 125 00:05:23,210 --> 00:05:21,510 these kids are really catching on 126 00:05:25,280 --> 00:05:23,220 because they look spectacular you know 127 00:05:26,690 --> 00:05:25,290 it's in the desert California there's a 128 00:05:30,950 --> 00:05:26,700 helicopter in the background and this 129 00:05:32,870 --> 00:05:30,960 weird you know me or like object but it 130 00:05:35,330 --> 00:05:32,880 looks almost too good to be true and and 131 00:05:37,520 --> 00:05:35,340 you know the shadows and lighting is all 132 00:05:40,610 --> 00:05:37,530 wrong where it turns out it is too good 133 00:05:44,030 --> 00:05:40,620 to be true so there are a lot of kind of 134 00:05:46,340 --> 00:05:44,040 odd ones out there that just aren't 135 00:05:48,140 --> 00:05:46,350 panning out now when you say you know 136 00:05:50,960 --> 00:05:48,150 hard me when you say it's too good to be 137 00:05:54,110 --> 00:05:50,970 true what did mark did he come to have a 138 00:05:56,360 --> 00:05:54,120 conclusion of what this yeah he had 139 00:05:59,420 --> 00:05:56,370 looked at him and he got high resolution 140 00:06:02,840 --> 00:05:59,430 to all the images and I yeah he felt it 141 00:06:05,060 --> 00:06:02,850 was a hoax also yeah lots of problems 142 00:06:08,090 --> 00:06:05,070 with it and one of the big things with 143 00:06:10,700 --> 00:06:08,100 him was the focus so he's able to tell 144 00:06:13,900 --> 00:06:10,710 the focal range or you know this 145 00:06:17,990 --> 00:06:13,910 technical stuff he does and was able to 146 00:06:22,490 --> 00:06:18,000 determine that it was BS so the I was a 147 00:06:25,490 --> 00:06:22,500 focal BS hey now does dr. Bruce Maccabee 148 00:06:27,620 --> 00:06:25,500 still still look at images he does he 149 00:06:31,910 --> 00:06:27,630 does once in a while and I've seen him 150 00:06:33,740 --> 00:06:31,920 China chime in even recently on a couple 151 00:06:35,780 --> 00:06:33,750 of things but I can't remember what in 152 00:06:39,020 --> 00:06:35,790 particular to be honest I think it was 153 00:06:40,820 --> 00:06:39,030 on this nimitz video which actually all 154 00:06:43,580 --> 00:06:40,830 saved that because you know we 155 00:06:46,460 --> 00:06:43,590 talked a lot about this this Nimitz USS 156 00:06:48,890 --> 00:06:46,470 navy sighting yeah and we've got some 157 00:06:51,980 --> 00:06:48,900 stories from Robert Powell on our site 158 00:06:53,840 --> 00:06:51,990 about that and Jeremy Korbel has 159 00:06:55,340 --> 00:06:53,850 actually worked on this a bit so I'll 160 00:06:57,500 --> 00:06:55,350 let Jeremy talk to you about it next 161 00:06:59,570 --> 00:06:57,510 week he's done a little bit of research 162 00:07:02,890 --> 00:06:59,580 so it's a great case but Bruce Maccabee 163 00:07:04,940 --> 00:07:02,900 did chime in on the video there and 164 00:07:06,530 --> 00:07:04,950 Jeremy's probably aware of that so I'll 165 00:07:10,700 --> 00:07:06,540 let you and Jeremy talk about that next 166 00:07:12,830 --> 00:07:10,710 week otherwise this is kind of cool so 167 00:07:14,990 --> 00:07:12,840 there's this group coat the data duo and 168 00:07:16,280 --> 00:07:15,000 they have a website and essentially what 169 00:07:18,890 --> 00:07:16,290 they do is they work on data 170 00:07:22,160 --> 00:07:18,900 visualizations are able to take data 171 00:07:25,780 --> 00:07:22,170 sets and then make them really cool and 172 00:07:29,380 --> 00:07:25,790 interactive and they've done this thing 173 00:07:32,300 --> 00:07:29,390 it's these two people who work together 174 00:07:34,940 --> 00:07:32,310 one of them I I hope I'm saying her name 175 00:07:38,150 --> 00:07:34,950 right its pooja pooja Gandhi and the 176 00:07:41,410 --> 00:07:38,160 other one is Adam Craven and they do 177 00:07:43,580 --> 00:07:41,420 these challenges these duo dares and 178 00:07:45,890 --> 00:07:43,590 where they challenged each other with 179 00:07:47,810 --> 00:07:45,900 some data and luckily this last one they 180 00:07:50,810 --> 00:07:47,820 challenged each other with UFO sightings 181 00:07:53,450 --> 00:07:50,820 so there's a website called Kegel that 182 00:07:55,640 --> 00:07:53,460 puts out datasets of information for 183 00:07:57,620 --> 00:07:55,650 these data cruncher people to kind of 184 00:07:59,720 --> 00:07:57,630 work with and one of the sets of 185 00:08:02,900 --> 00:07:59,730 information they have is on UFO 186 00:08:05,090 --> 00:08:02,910 sightings from 1960 to 2014 so these 187 00:08:06,980 --> 00:08:05,100 guys make these really cool maps that 188 00:08:11,090 --> 00:08:06,990 show where all these sightings are and 189 00:08:13,040 --> 00:08:11,100 you can actually roll over every single 190 00:08:14,960 --> 00:08:13,050 one of these data points and it gives 191 00:08:17,450 --> 00:08:14,970 you information about that sighting and 192 00:08:20,360 --> 00:08:17,460 they also have some more maps like it 193 00:08:22,880 --> 00:08:20,370 about the country and stuff like that so 194 00:08:26,150 --> 00:08:22,890 they're competing to see whose is best 195 00:08:30,530 --> 00:08:26,160 I like poojas but Adam is getting more 196 00:08:33,530 --> 00:08:30,540 votes and they have a map now I do write 197 00:08:35,930 --> 00:08:33,540 a story this week about kind of how you 198 00:08:39,110 --> 00:08:35,940 know this website bustled covered it and 199 00:08:40,969 --> 00:08:39,120 did the data is misleading so if you 200 00:08:42,920 --> 00:08:40,979 look at these maps you know it looks 201 00:08:46,190 --> 00:08:42,930 like the East Coast and West Coast gets 202 00:08:47,990 --> 00:08:46,200 a lot of UFO sightings but as I've shown 203 00:08:51,020 --> 00:08:48,000 in the past when I've crunched these 204 00:08:52,940 --> 00:08:51,030 numbers they correlate with populations 205 00:08:54,530 --> 00:08:52,950 so the more people you have the more 206 00:08:59,540 --> 00:08:54,540 sightings you're gonna get 207 00:09:01,280 --> 00:08:59,550 so what I did is even posted a photo the 208 00:09:03,710 --> 00:09:01,290 planet at night you know where there's 209 00:09:06,470 --> 00:09:03,720 it lights up in certain areas this NASA 210 00:09:08,450 --> 00:09:06,480 photo oh yeah just to show you know it 211 00:09:10,820 --> 00:09:08,460 looks almost exactly the same as their 212 00:09:12,980 --> 00:09:10,830 map because where there's more people 213 00:09:15,190 --> 00:09:12,990 you get more sightings so what you have 214 00:09:18,740 --> 00:09:15,200 to do what I like to do and other 215 00:09:20,720 --> 00:09:18,750 researchers is look at the data per 216 00:09:23,270 --> 00:09:20,730 population because if you have more 217 00:09:25,840 --> 00:09:23,280 sightings per person that means that's 218 00:09:28,490 --> 00:09:25,850 more likely you're gonna have a hotspot 219 00:09:30,800 --> 00:09:28,500 so I'm with this it to the Keiko website 220 00:09:34,540 --> 00:09:30,810 and I downloaded their information and I 221 00:09:37,220 --> 00:09:34,550 figured out the per population 222 00:09:38,990 --> 00:09:37,230 statistics and I did post that just to 223 00:09:41,300 --> 00:09:39,000 show that you know the states that 224 00:09:43,850 --> 00:09:41,310 appear to be where the hot spots are in 225 00:09:47,030 --> 00:09:43,860 the in a and a map the way you don't do 226 00:09:49,180 --> 00:09:47,040 that are not really the hot spot so just 227 00:09:51,650 --> 00:09:49,190 to show what really the hot spots were 228 00:09:55,700 --> 00:09:51,660 Washington showed up on top and then 229 00:09:57,890 --> 00:09:55,710 Montana Alaska and Alaska probably 230 00:10:00,260 --> 00:09:57,900 because they have small populations but 231 00:10:02,990 --> 00:10:00,270 some of the regulars like Arizona New 232 00:10:04,850 --> 00:10:03,000 Mexico Colorado those are kind of some 233 00:10:09,200 --> 00:10:04,860 of the states that are higher up than 234 00:10:11,750 --> 00:10:09,210 usual per population often one of the 235 00:10:15,080 --> 00:10:11,760 reasons Washington by the way is at the 236 00:10:17,900 --> 00:10:15,090 top is that Cagle used new Fork data the 237 00:10:21,170 --> 00:10:17,910 the national UFO Reporting Center data 238 00:10:23,210 --> 00:10:21,180 which is located in Washington and so 239 00:10:26,870 --> 00:10:23,220 more the locals know about it some more 240 00:10:28,520 --> 00:10:26,880 likely more the locals report to Newport 241 00:10:30,680 --> 00:10:28,530 new forcus remain by Peter Davenport 242 00:10:32,150 --> 00:10:30,690 have you ever had him on your show 243 00:10:34,940 --> 00:10:32,160 I have matter of fact we've been 244 00:10:37,790 --> 00:10:34,950 communicating he says he's stressed out 245 00:10:39,560 --> 00:10:37,800 but a lot of times he has been stressed 246 00:10:41,330 --> 00:10:39,570 out and he's getting a lot of those 247 00:10:42,500 --> 00:10:41,340 prank calls which is really bugging him 248 00:10:46,160 --> 00:10:42,510 I don't know nothing's gonna deal with 249 00:10:48,860 --> 00:10:46,170 that yeah luckily he provides his data 250 00:10:50,690 --> 00:10:48,870 very raw and he's done a good job he's 251 00:10:53,110 --> 00:10:50,700 gotten his data online for the longest 252 00:10:57,110 --> 00:10:53,120 so that's where they got their data and 253 00:10:59,090 --> 00:10:57,120 typically I work with MUFON data and I 254 00:11:01,400 --> 00:10:59,100 show the difference on this destroy I 255 00:11:02,750 --> 00:11:01,410 wrote about this but otherwise yeah we 256 00:11:05,570 --> 00:11:02,760 have a couple other interesting 257 00:11:08,519 --> 00:11:05,580 sightings up there when we move on 258 00:11:11,879 --> 00:11:08,529 before we move on from that 259 00:11:14,369 --> 00:11:11,889 can any can anyone find these images 260 00:11:14,969 --> 00:11:14,379 you're talking about that there being a 261 00:11:18,899 --> 00:11:14,979 voted on 262 00:11:21,389 --> 00:11:18,909 oh yeah smacks I mean I wrote a story 263 00:11:24,869 --> 00:11:21,399 about it mm-hmm that you can find an 264 00:11:26,579 --> 00:11:24,879 open mind stat TV I found out about it 265 00:11:29,369 --> 00:11:26,589 through a story on this website called 266 00:11:31,109 --> 00:11:29,379 bustle which I linked to and I do 267 00:11:33,359 --> 00:11:31,119 recommend people look at this article it 268 00:11:35,219 --> 00:11:33,369 was a good article even though they 269 00:11:37,289 --> 00:11:35,229 didn't they missed the point for the 270 00:11:39,839 --> 00:11:37,299 population thing that's so important and 271 00:11:42,389 --> 00:11:39,849 then in both of our articles I've got 272 00:11:45,719 --> 00:11:42,399 embedded pictures and links to these 273 00:11:47,789 --> 00:11:45,729 maps so and I encourage people to click 274 00:11:49,709 --> 00:11:47,799 on the links because you got to click 275 00:11:51,239 --> 00:11:49,719 out the link to do the interactive part 276 00:11:53,249 --> 00:11:51,249 where you can click on these things and 277 00:11:56,029 --> 00:11:53,259 everything and and that also takes you 278 00:11:58,799 --> 00:11:56,039 to their site where you can vote on your 279 00:12:01,589 --> 00:11:58,809 favorite map whether you like poojas map 280 00:12:03,989 --> 00:12:01,599 or Adams but both of these are very 281 00:12:07,289 --> 00:12:03,999 impressive these people are really 282 00:12:09,689 --> 00:12:07,299 talented and they've created these just 283 00:12:11,789 --> 00:12:09,699 cool you know typically we have these 284 00:12:13,710 --> 00:12:11,799 what's called infographics right there 285 00:12:15,989 --> 00:12:13,720 are these graphics with a bunch of 286 00:12:18,210 --> 00:12:15,999 information on them but these aren't 287 00:12:20,969 --> 00:12:18,220 interactive where you can hover over 288 00:12:23,429 --> 00:12:20,979 things and it actually accesses the data 289 00:12:26,009 --> 00:12:23,439 and gives you information back so wow 290 00:12:28,109 --> 00:12:26,019 really cool stuff yeah sounds like a lot 291 00:12:30,659 --> 00:12:28,119 of work I wonder what Maine looks like 292 00:12:34,469 --> 00:12:30,669 you know we have like 400 PA 293 00:12:37,799 --> 00:12:34,479 yeah not too many people here or more 294 00:12:40,259 --> 00:12:37,809 moose maybe more than 400 we definitely 295 00:12:45,629 --> 00:12:40,269 have more moose than people I've never 296 00:12:49,199 --> 00:12:45,639 heard a moose sighting yeah there was a 297 00:12:50,909 --> 00:12:49,209 deer yeah our dog sighting there's dog I 298 00:12:52,949 --> 00:12:50,919 can't tell you let's see where they 299 00:12:57,989 --> 00:12:52,959 faked because in at least the last time 300 00:13:01,079 --> 00:12:57,999 I did it one in 2014 when MUFON still 301 00:13:04,739 --> 00:13:01,089 had really regular data coming out and I 302 00:13:07,169 --> 00:13:04,749 did every state they've been a little 303 00:13:09,209 --> 00:13:07,179 bit I used to have access to more data 304 00:13:13,409 --> 00:13:09,219 from the MUFON database now it's harder 305 00:13:16,319 --> 00:13:13,419 to get but they do send out email fairly 306 00:13:18,210 --> 00:13:16,329 regularly with their sighting numbers 307 00:13:20,309 --> 00:13:18,220 and that's usually what I'll record to 308 00:13:22,620 --> 00:13:20,319 get the numbers well we do actually our 309 00:13:25,199 --> 00:13:22,630 main fit we do have 1.3 310 00:13:27,540 --> 00:13:25,209 I just looked of course I'm teasing 311 00:13:30,090 --> 00:13:27,550 about the 400 people you're on you're 312 00:13:33,600 --> 00:13:30,100 number 39 when it comes to the number of 313 00:13:39,170 --> 00:13:33,610 sightings uh-huh but if you go per 314 00:13:42,800 --> 00:13:39,180 capita you're number 9 in 2014 Wow 315 00:13:47,220 --> 00:13:42,810 that's impressive lots of UFOs in Maine 316 00:13:50,610 --> 00:13:47,230 hey I have an a I have on in the chat 317 00:13:54,780 --> 00:13:50,620 room online a a supporter who's been 318 00:13:57,059 --> 00:13:54,790 with me from the beginning and he wanted 319 00:14:00,780 --> 00:13:57,069 me to like you I know he wanted me to 320 00:14:03,569 --> 00:14:00,790 ask you a question he's been he wants me 321 00:14:05,730 --> 00:14:03,579 to ask you what your comment have you 322 00:14:12,900 --> 00:14:05,740 listened to the Joe Rogan DeLong 323 00:14:16,650 --> 00:14:12,910 interview I haven't but because I don't 324 00:14:20,519 --> 00:14:16,660 want to because I don't know and I've 325 00:14:23,009 --> 00:14:20,529 explained this I guess before and I i 326 00:14:26,090 --> 00:14:23,019 could see how maybe people might be 327 00:14:30,329 --> 00:14:26,100 confused by that because i am not so 328 00:14:32,400 --> 00:14:30,339 impressed or i don't have that much 329 00:14:35,249 --> 00:14:32,410 interest in tom delonge speculation I 330 00:14:37,889 --> 00:14:35,259 don't I'm not as into speculation you 331 00:14:39,389 --> 00:14:37,899 know we hear all day every day and and 332 00:14:40,980 --> 00:14:39,399 Leo tell you this and get it all 333 00:14:45,540 --> 00:14:40,990 emotional about it and it'll be a lot of 334 00:14:47,819 --> 00:14:45,550 fun I can't wait yeah you know we hear 335 00:14:49,379 --> 00:14:47,829 speculation from all the time and the 336 00:14:51,389 --> 00:14:49,389 Whaley always puts it unless you can 337 00:14:53,220 --> 00:14:51,399 show me something you know then I know I 338 00:14:55,259 --> 00:14:53,230 know it's it means nothing to me 339 00:14:57,269 --> 00:14:55,269 and that's exactly you're wasting my 340 00:14:59,280 --> 00:14:57,279 time and you know for people like us who 341 00:15:01,290 --> 00:14:59,290 are writing stuff you know we don't want 342 00:15:02,670 --> 00:15:01,300 we're not like the UK tabloids where 343 00:15:06,059 --> 00:15:02,680 we're gonna say you know Tom DeLonge 344 00:15:08,249 --> 00:15:06,069 thinks that aliens are bad and the 345 00:15:10,949 --> 00:15:08,259 government's fighting with aliens I've 346 00:15:13,379 --> 00:15:10,959 talked to Tom Tom personally and I he's 347 00:15:15,120 --> 00:15:13,389 a great guy love this guy and a lot of 348 00:15:16,170 --> 00:15:15,130 my friends have different ideas about 349 00:15:18,210 --> 00:15:16,180 UFOs 350 00:15:20,610 --> 00:15:18,220 you have your ideas Lee has you're right 351 00:15:22,319 --> 00:15:20,620 his own ideas but you know I'm not gonna 352 00:15:24,629 --> 00:15:22,329 write a story about it you know here's 353 00:15:27,269 --> 00:15:24,639 what Martin thinks about UFOs or here's 354 00:15:30,600 --> 00:15:27,279 what Lee thinks you know and I would 355 00:15:33,120 --> 00:15:30,610 rather write about what you can prove or 356 00:15:35,579 --> 00:15:33,130 what and that's what I'm interested 357 00:15:36,980 --> 00:15:35,589 about what Tom DeLonge has done he has 358 00:15:40,530 --> 00:15:36,990 gotten together 359 00:15:42,990 --> 00:15:40,540 as we've talked about some of the you 360 00:15:44,760 --> 00:15:43,000 know these high-ranking people that are 361 00:15:46,500 --> 00:15:44,770 extremely impressive that have worked in 362 00:15:48,690 --> 00:15:46,510 intelligence and we've never had these 363 00:15:50,820 --> 00:15:48,700 sort of people that's the one I'm 364 00:15:53,010 --> 00:15:50,830 interested in and and because of their 365 00:15:55,949 --> 00:15:53,020 credibility what they have to say is 366 00:15:57,750 --> 00:15:55,959 what I'm really interested in it and so 367 00:16:00,510 --> 00:15:57,760 that's what I'm mostly interested in so 368 00:16:02,820 --> 00:16:00,520 when he is trying to tell Joe Rogan 369 00:16:05,940 --> 00:16:02,830 about what he believes or what he says 370 00:16:08,310 --> 00:16:05,950 he's been told by people who we have no 371 00:16:10,260 --> 00:16:08,320 idea who these people are yet you know 372 00:16:12,180 --> 00:16:10,270 that's gonna be a tough sell so I can 373 00:16:15,960 --> 00:16:12,190 understand why Joe Rogan would not take 374 00:16:18,540 --> 00:16:15,970 him seriously and you know even for 375 00:16:21,329 --> 00:16:18,550 myself you know uh Tom's a great guy I 376 00:16:23,610 --> 00:16:21,339 really like him but he has yet to 377 00:16:26,940 --> 00:16:23,620 produce and he knows this he has yet to 378 00:16:28,620 --> 00:16:26,950 produce these alleged witnesses who have 379 00:16:31,440 --> 00:16:28,630 told us told him some of the more 380 00:16:33,210 --> 00:16:31,450 fantastic ideas because you've spoken 381 00:16:35,639 --> 00:16:33,220 with Chris melon who's one of the people 382 00:16:38,070 --> 00:16:35,649 that's part of his Academy I've spoken 383 00:16:40,320 --> 00:16:38,080 with some others in that group and 384 00:16:43,260 --> 00:16:40,330 they're very conservative in fact you 385 00:16:45,660 --> 00:16:43,270 know I was I had John Alexander on 386 00:16:47,460 --> 00:16:45,670 recently and and he's friends with a lot 387 00:16:49,860 --> 00:16:47,470 of these guys and they have very similar 388 00:16:52,350 --> 00:16:49,870 perspectives and they have had careers 389 00:16:54,269 --> 00:16:52,360 in the government and although they're 390 00:16:56,850 --> 00:16:54,279 highly interested in UFOs and they 391 00:16:59,310 --> 00:16:56,860 believe that there's a true mystery here 392 00:17:01,980 --> 00:16:59,320 and people inside the government do 393 00:17:05,819 --> 00:17:01,990 believe that at times they have not seen 394 00:17:09,240 --> 00:17:05,829 any evidence of some major you know 395 00:17:11,460 --> 00:17:09,250 cover-up or secrecy to the level that 396 00:17:14,699 --> 00:17:11,470 tom is talking about so they themselves 397 00:17:17,160 --> 00:17:14,709 are like wow you know I'm not aware of 398 00:17:19,140 --> 00:17:17,170 what Tom's talking about but if he does 399 00:17:20,730 --> 00:17:19,150 have these insiders telling the MIS you 400 00:17:25,169 --> 00:17:20,740 know we're interested in hearing that as 401 00:17:26,429 --> 00:17:25,179 well so so that's why yeah Tom isn't to 402 00:17:28,319 --> 00:17:26,439 what I'm listening to when people say 403 00:17:30,780 --> 00:17:28,329 Tom said this and Tom said that that's 404 00:17:33,960 --> 00:17:30,790 great but you know what tom is a rock 405 00:17:36,180 --> 00:17:33,970 star he's he's a cool dude but if he 406 00:17:39,030 --> 00:17:36,190 would if he had spent a career in the 407 00:17:41,190 --> 00:17:39,040 CIA like Chris Mellon or some of these 408 00:17:43,650 --> 00:17:41,200 other people in the group then I would 409 00:17:46,710 --> 00:17:43,660 be much more interested in his personal 410 00:17:48,240 --> 00:17:46,720 opinions you know and ideas sure good 411 00:17:50,130 --> 00:17:48,250 good answer all right hopefully that 412 00:17:51,690 --> 00:17:50,140 makes sense it does and 413 00:17:53,640 --> 00:17:51,700 it is important to remember like when it 414 00:17:57,090 --> 00:17:53,650 comes to the Nimitz case a lot of these 415 00:17:59,880 --> 00:17:57,100 people in the media started picking up 416 00:18:03,300 --> 00:17:59,890 on this nade this case that's great that 417 00:18:05,430 --> 00:18:03,310 Chris melon talked about you know and 418 00:18:07,050 --> 00:18:05,440 but they're saying Tom DeLonge talked 419 00:18:09,240 --> 00:18:07,060 about this and this came up in town 420 00:18:10,950 --> 00:18:09,250 belongs press conference and they're 421 00:18:13,200 --> 00:18:10,960 crediting the wrong person because it 422 00:18:16,200 --> 00:18:13,210 doesn't hold as much weight when a rock 423 00:18:18,390 --> 00:18:16,210 stars talks about some alleged Navy UFO 424 00:18:20,360 --> 00:18:18,400 case but when you have a guy from you 425 00:18:23,940 --> 00:18:20,370 know who worked in defense intelligence 426 00:18:26,430 --> 00:18:23,950 and and held very high positions and 427 00:18:28,890 --> 00:18:26,440 he's talking about the importance of a 428 00:18:31,860 --> 00:18:28,900 case that that the Navy jets were 429 00:18:34,680 --> 00:18:31,870 scrambled to chase then that holds a lot 430 00:18:35,970 --> 00:18:34,690 more weight and that I think you know 431 00:18:39,050 --> 00:18:35,980 it's something that we really need to 432 00:18:42,300 --> 00:18:39,060 pay attention to yeah excellent well 433 00:18:44,640 --> 00:18:42,310 anything else real quickly no I've got a 434 00:18:46,530 --> 00:18:44,650 couple other cases out we've got an open 435 00:18:48,840 --> 00:18:46,540 mind stat TV including a couple with 436 00:18:50,070 --> 00:18:48,850 videos so I'd love people to go over 437 00:18:51,810 --> 00:18:50,080 there and take a look and see what they 438 00:18:54,540 --> 00:18:51,820 think in one case I'm pretty sure 439 00:18:56,730 --> 00:18:54,550 they're balloons but not quite sure but 440 00:18:58,500 --> 00:18:56,740 it's always really helpful for people to 441 00:19:00,540 --> 00:18:58,510 take a look and share their opinions 442 00:19:03,030 --> 00:19:00,550 because then we can figure out whether 443 00:19:05,490 --> 00:19:03,040 these things are truly mysterious or not 444 00:19:07,560 --> 00:19:05,500 in fact we haven't really come up with a 445 00:19:10,950 --> 00:19:07,570 conclusion on the red blob remember the 446 00:19:14,430 --> 00:19:10,960 red I do remember the red blob yeah the 447 00:19:18,120 --> 00:19:14,440 red blob ah it was called it the movie 448 00:19:20,280 --> 00:19:18,130 The Blob there was yeah yeah scary blobs 449 00:19:22,680 --> 00:19:20,290 gonna take scary stuff yeah Lee's old 450 00:19:24,690 --> 00:19:22,690 enough to remember that movie so careful 451 00:19:27,540 --> 00:19:24,700 he might have started and should know 452 00:19:30,240 --> 00:19:27,550 yeah he might have some PTSD when he was 453 00:19:30,980 --> 00:19:30,250 a kid and he got scared by it so alright 454 00:19:33,840 --> 00:19:30,990 be careful 455 00:19:35,610 --> 00:19:33,850 alright alejandro thanks so much yeah 456 00:19:37,980 --> 00:19:35,620 alright and I'll talk to you talked to 457 00:19:40,670 --> 00:19:37,990 your on your show on Monday and I'll see 458 00:19:42,570 --> 00:19:40,680 ya here next week at the same time 459 00:19:47,430 --> 00:19:42,580 alright alright have a good one 460 00:19:53,150 --> 00:19:47,440 thank you alright I know okay Lee 461 00:19:57,390 --> 00:19:53,160 Spiegel how are you Lee don't well the I 462 00:20:01,230 --> 00:19:57,400 am the original blob of course 463 00:20:05,700 --> 00:20:01,240 I thought you might like yeah and and 464 00:20:08,610 --> 00:20:05,710 yes yes to Alejandro My dear Alejandro 465 00:20:11,900 --> 00:20:08,620 I'm Way old enough to remember those 466 00:20:14,960 --> 00:20:11,910 movies in fact I love those old movies 467 00:20:17,940 --> 00:20:14,970 more than anything that's coming out now 468 00:20:21,900 --> 00:20:17,950 well what am i one of my all-time 469 00:20:24,660 --> 00:20:21,910 favorites is earth vs. the flying 470 00:20:26,370 --> 00:20:24,670 saucers oh my god I can't tell you how 471 00:20:29,340 --> 00:20:26,380 many times I've watched that movie I 472 00:20:32,940 --> 00:20:29,350 mean I had the the dialogue memorized I 473 00:20:33,750 --> 00:20:32,950 mean and and boy loved it in black and 474 00:20:36,900 --> 00:20:33,760 white 475 00:20:40,500 --> 00:20:36,910 it's it just there's so much stuff from 476 00:20:43,410 --> 00:20:40,510 the past and and and I'm kind of dealing 477 00:20:45,270 --> 00:20:43,420 with a lot of these things now in this 478 00:20:47,520 --> 00:20:45,280 this project that I'm working on with 479 00:20:49,770 --> 00:20:47,530 with James Fox we were going back 480 00:20:52,710 --> 00:20:49,780 historically and we've come up with some 481 00:20:55,590 --> 00:20:52,720 amazing historical things and David 482 00:20:58,550 --> 00:20:55,600 Marla have you had David on your show 483 00:21:04,110 --> 00:20:58,560 yet but yeah it was one of my favorites 484 00:21:08,400 --> 00:21:04,120 Wow he is like such a wealth of archival 485 00:21:11,310 --> 00:21:08,410 information and he has news clippings 486 00:21:14,010 --> 00:21:11,320 from from all around the country that go 487 00:21:15,270 --> 00:21:14,020 back to the early 1940s things I've 488 00:21:16,920 --> 00:21:15,280 never seen before 489 00:21:18,810 --> 00:21:16,930 that when you put them all together and 490 00:21:22,470 --> 00:21:18,820 you kind of stack them on top of each 491 00:21:24,630 --> 00:21:22,480 other and you show them throughout this 492 00:21:28,260 --> 00:21:24,640 documentary that we're working out oh my 493 00:21:31,500 --> 00:21:28,270 gosh the stuff is is quite dramatic it's 494 00:21:34,670 --> 00:21:31,510 it's like it's almost as good as if not 495 00:21:39,270 --> 00:21:34,680 better in some cases as modern-day 496 00:21:41,250 --> 00:21:39,280 computer-generated effects on TV the 497 00:21:43,200 --> 00:21:41,260 because the original newspaper headlines 498 00:21:46,260 --> 00:21:43,210 are the originals this was the real 499 00:21:48,630 --> 00:21:46,270 stuff and I'm just astonished that the 500 00:21:49,860 --> 00:21:48,640 stuff that David has in his archive it's 501 00:21:54,290 --> 00:21:49,870 like hats off to him 502 00:21:56,460 --> 00:21:54,300 Wow hey I know I thought dave was 503 00:21:59,730 --> 00:21:56,470 fantastic and I've been trying to get 504 00:22:01,620 --> 00:21:59,740 him back on he was at the time last time 505 00:22:06,570 --> 00:22:01,630 I spoke with him he was working on the 506 00:22:09,630 --> 00:22:06,580 LA incident you know the 1940 whatever 507 00:22:11,310 --> 00:22:09,640 it was doing a lot of work on that one 508 00:22:12,720 --> 00:22:11,320 yeah they refer 509 00:22:16,860 --> 00:22:12,730 to it as the battle of Los Angeles 510 00:22:17,910 --> 00:22:16,870 that's what I was yeah yeah we're going 511 00:22:20,340 --> 00:22:17,920 to be good we're going to be showing 512 00:22:24,120 --> 00:22:20,350 some some interesting images from that 513 00:22:28,590 --> 00:22:24,130 event and it was it was things like that 514 00:22:30,780 --> 00:22:28,600 that got the public all riled up at 515 00:22:34,140 --> 00:22:30,790 around at the same time that the pilot 516 00:22:37,350 --> 00:22:34,150 Kenneth Arnold made his report about the 517 00:22:41,520 --> 00:22:37,360 the nine delta-shaped discs that he saw 518 00:22:43,710 --> 00:22:41,530 flying over Mount Rainier and shortly 519 00:22:47,280 --> 00:22:43,720 after that we had this incident in 520 00:22:51,930 --> 00:22:47,290 Roswell New Mexico and and then you know 521 00:22:56,240 --> 00:22:51,940 a few years later the big UFO flap over 522 00:23:00,270 --> 00:22:56,250 Washington DC where groups of objects 523 00:23:03,560 --> 00:23:00,280 flew and were seen from the ground and 524 00:23:06,120 --> 00:23:03,570 also tracked on radar and chased by 525 00:23:09,000 --> 00:23:06,130 military jet fighters these these 526 00:23:11,910 --> 00:23:09,010 objects the the biggest concern that 527 00:23:14,760 --> 00:23:11,920 they presented to us was that they were 528 00:23:16,860 --> 00:23:14,770 flying in what's considered totally 529 00:23:18,900 --> 00:23:16,870 restricted airspace they were flying in 530 00:23:20,610 --> 00:23:18,910 the restricted air corridors over the 531 00:23:24,930 --> 00:23:20,620 White House and the Capitol that's a 532 00:23:26,730 --> 00:23:24,940 no-no you you can't do that and not 533 00:23:29,610 --> 00:23:26,740 expect to have somebody come and try and 534 00:23:32,010 --> 00:23:29,620 shoot you down after you first but after 535 00:23:34,290 --> 00:23:32,020 you have first been asked politely to 536 00:23:39,950 --> 00:23:34,300 please leave with this restricted 537 00:23:43,560 --> 00:23:39,960 airspace right right oh and yes also 538 00:23:48,180 --> 00:23:43,570 were they it you know what is it that 539 00:23:51,300 --> 00:23:48,190 the device that an airplane has on it 540 00:23:54,290 --> 00:23:51,310 now that can be tracked easily I can't 541 00:23:58,080 --> 00:23:54,300 remember what it's called I don't know 542 00:24:00,950 --> 00:23:58,090 but I I just wonder I wondered how long 543 00:24:04,080 --> 00:24:00,960 they've been around and because now if 544 00:24:06,150 --> 00:24:04,090 it's some type of beacon that's in every 545 00:24:08,670 --> 00:24:06,160 you know commercial or any type of 546 00:24:11,190 --> 00:24:08,680 airline that so they can identify it and 547 00:24:13,350 --> 00:24:11,200 I just wonder how far back that goes it 548 00:24:15,780 --> 00:24:13,360 probably doesn't go back that far I'm 549 00:24:17,670 --> 00:24:15,790 not sure because I I actually I don't 550 00:24:22,740 --> 00:24:17,680 keep up with that part of the technology 551 00:24:23,630 --> 00:24:22,750 the aviation technology I'm much more 552 00:24:27,470 --> 00:24:23,640 concerned 553 00:24:30,770 --> 00:24:27,480 literally with individual reports by 554 00:24:33,680 --> 00:24:30,780 people like like pilots military and 555 00:24:36,860 --> 00:24:33,690 commercial pilots which is which is not 556 00:24:40,160 --> 00:24:36,870 to say that I'm not interested in in 557 00:24:43,010 --> 00:24:40,170 civilian reports and and I'm not saying 558 00:24:46,160 --> 00:24:43,020 that I find them more or less reliable 559 00:24:49,070 --> 00:24:46,170 than anyone else it's it's the the the 560 00:24:51,500 --> 00:24:49,080 people who I really like to look at and 561 00:24:54,770 --> 00:24:51,510 talk to an interview are the ones who 562 00:24:58,460 --> 00:24:54,780 primarily are they're kind of 563 00:25:01,310 --> 00:24:58,470 responsible for our public safety in the 564 00:25:03,710 --> 00:25:01,320 skies and if they encounter things in 565 00:25:06,800 --> 00:25:03,720 the skies that are unconventional 566 00:25:09,740 --> 00:25:06,810 unexplained that that can't that can't 567 00:25:12,230 --> 00:25:09,750 be figured out and and such has been the 568 00:25:13,700 --> 00:25:12,240 case for decades then yeah I want to 569 00:25:15,830 --> 00:25:13,710 talk to these people who are piloting 570 00:25:18,740 --> 00:25:15,840 these airplanes that I have talked with 571 00:25:22,970 --> 00:25:18,750 many pilots and you know these people 572 00:25:25,250 --> 00:25:22,980 are down to earth and and pilots who see 573 00:25:27,200 --> 00:25:25,260 things that they can't explain they 574 00:25:29,690 --> 00:25:27,210 definitely would rather not report it 575 00:25:32,600 --> 00:25:29,700 because they're so so many reasons as 576 00:25:38,390 --> 00:25:32,610 you know the job security is one main 577 00:25:40,130 --> 00:25:38,400 issue as well as ridicule and you know 578 00:25:42,410 --> 00:25:40,140 it's like are these really the friendly 579 00:25:43,760 --> 00:25:42,420 skies that we're flying through but 580 00:25:44,180 --> 00:25:43,770 that's the thing that I like to tell 581 00:25:47,780 --> 00:25:44,190 people 582 00:25:52,190 --> 00:25:47,790 Martin is oh man I hate to say this but 583 00:25:56,480 --> 00:25:52,200 it is true we we don't seem to have a 584 00:25:59,750 --> 00:25:56,490 lot of cases where these unexplained 585 00:26:02,630 --> 00:25:59,760 objects have basically pulled the first 586 00:26:06,560 --> 00:26:02,640 trigger you know they they they don't 587 00:26:10,070 --> 00:26:06,570 seem to show initial aggression toward 588 00:26:11,840 --> 00:26:10,080 humans it's always the humans that have 589 00:26:12,740 --> 00:26:11,850 the attitude of shoot first and ask 590 00:26:15,950 --> 00:26:12,750 questions later 591 00:26:19,670 --> 00:26:15,960 always I think that's historical or 592 00:26:22,790 --> 00:26:19,680 historic that's the kind of species we 593 00:26:28,490 --> 00:26:22,800 are and it may be one of many reasons 594 00:26:31,120 --> 00:26:28,500 why any possible interplanetary society 595 00:26:33,770 --> 00:26:31,130 or group of planets maybe they haven't 596 00:26:36,680 --> 00:26:33,780 wanted to invite us into their into 597 00:26:37,490 --> 00:26:36,690 their club because we we did we don't 598 00:26:39,950 --> 00:26:37,500 show 599 00:26:42,649 --> 00:26:39,960 any indication that we are a peaceful 600 00:26:45,770 --> 00:26:42,659 planet down here I'm sorry to say but 601 00:26:48,409 --> 00:26:45,780 it's true yeah yeah that's uh that's one 602 00:26:51,500 --> 00:26:48,419 of the things one of Stan Friedman's 603 00:26:53,779 --> 00:26:51,510 mantras what well Phil in the chatroom 604 00:26:55,850 --> 00:26:53,789 reminding me it's called a transponders 605 00:26:58,159 --> 00:26:55,860 what I was trying to the world I was 606 00:27:01,250 --> 00:26:58,169 searching for okay god I hate that when 607 00:27:05,419 --> 00:27:01,260 I can't remember something to us so yeah 608 00:27:06,950 --> 00:27:05,429 Haley so a large portion of these people 609 00:27:08,570 --> 00:27:06,960 know who you are you've been on my show 610 00:27:10,880 --> 00:27:08,580 last time you are on I think it was July 611 00:27:12,620 --> 00:27:10,890 but can you just give for the person 612 00:27:16,279 --> 00:27:12,630 that's listening to you for the first 613 00:27:19,549 --> 00:27:16,289 time a little quick nutshell background 614 00:27:21,169 --> 00:27:19,559 about about you and then you can end out 615 00:27:23,720 --> 00:27:21,179 on what you're up to now and we could 616 00:27:26,860 --> 00:27:23,730 talk a lot more about that all right 617 00:27:30,560 --> 00:27:26,870 well I I kind of jumped into all this 618 00:27:35,000 --> 00:27:30,570 back in the 1970s the the thing that 619 00:27:39,190 --> 00:27:35,010 first caught my attention about UFOs was 620 00:27:42,890 --> 00:27:39,200 the in 1973 there was a whole wave of 621 00:27:46,190 --> 00:27:42,900 sightings around the country and for 622 00:27:49,399 --> 00:27:46,200 some reason back then the news media 623 00:27:50,690 --> 00:27:49,409 actually was reporting on these because 624 00:27:53,180 --> 00:27:50,700 otherwise I never would have found out 625 00:27:58,460 --> 00:27:53,190 about some of these stories and and I 626 00:28:02,390 --> 00:27:58,470 was particularly captivated by one that 627 00:28:05,419 --> 00:28:02,400 to me still remains to me one of the one 628 00:28:09,680 --> 00:28:05,429 of the best most credible ever Close 629 00:28:13,159 --> 00:28:09,690 Encounters with a with a UFO and this 630 00:28:18,110 --> 00:28:13,169 was something that was experienced over 631 00:28:22,789 --> 00:28:18,120 Ohio in 1973 by a four man crew in an 632 00:28:24,289 --> 00:28:22,799 army helicopter and they were they went 633 00:28:26,450 --> 00:28:24,299 at very high altitude but they all 634 00:28:29,810 --> 00:28:26,460 noticed at the same time that there was 635 00:28:32,210 --> 00:28:29,820 a light coming at them in the distance 636 00:28:34,460 --> 00:28:32,220 from the horizon and and it was like a 637 00:28:36,680 --> 00:28:34,470 red light and they suddenly realized it 638 00:28:40,130 --> 00:28:36,690 was getting closer and closer and closer 639 00:28:42,440 --> 00:28:40,140 and it was picking up speed and they 640 00:28:44,270 --> 00:28:42,450 they actually assumed it was on a 641 00:28:45,610 --> 00:28:44,280 collision course with them whatever this 642 00:28:48,370 --> 00:28:45,620 thing was 643 00:28:51,610 --> 00:28:48,380 and so they all brace through impact and 644 00:28:53,860 --> 00:28:51,620 instead of colliding with the helicopter 645 00:28:57,250 --> 00:28:53,870 the thing just stopped directly in the 646 00:29:01,810 --> 00:28:57,260 air directly above them there was no 647 00:29:06,070 --> 00:29:01,820 collision and it had this glow about it 648 00:29:07,899 --> 00:29:06,080 it shined a green light inside the the 649 00:29:11,799 --> 00:29:07,909 helicopter cockpit everything was bathed 650 00:29:13,240 --> 00:29:11,809 in this light and they could see the 651 00:29:16,930 --> 00:29:13,250 reflection from the light they could 652 00:29:20,200 --> 00:29:16,940 tell very easily it was a cigar shape it 653 00:29:22,510 --> 00:29:20,210 had no wings had no tail no no 654 00:29:25,630 --> 00:29:22,520 horizontal or vertical stabilizers that 655 00:29:28,000 --> 00:29:25,640 you would expect on in any kind of 656 00:29:30,880 --> 00:29:28,010 flying aircraft like that it made no 657 00:29:32,789 --> 00:29:30,890 sound it just hovered there in the sky 658 00:29:37,029 --> 00:29:32,799 above them now again this is coming from 659 00:29:41,169 --> 00:29:37,039 almost a collision course velocity to 660 00:29:44,740 --> 00:29:41,179 just stopping on a dime and and while 661 00:29:49,240 --> 00:29:44,750 they watched it suddenly they felt their 662 00:29:51,610 --> 00:29:49,250 helicopter being pulled up as if you 663 00:29:54,970 --> 00:29:51,620 know we laugh about this but Star Trek 664 00:29:57,430 --> 00:29:54,980 Star Wars we all know the phrase tractor 665 00:29:59,200 --> 00:29:57,440 beam because we hear about these things 666 00:29:59,769 --> 00:29:59,210 all the time it's part of science 667 00:30:02,070 --> 00:29:59,779 fiction 668 00:30:04,510 --> 00:30:02,080 well this tractor being the thing 669 00:30:06,279 --> 00:30:04,520 grabbed the helicopter pull them up and 670 00:30:08,980 --> 00:30:06,289 they were watching their altimeter and 671 00:30:11,380 --> 00:30:08,990 they went several thousand feet up 672 00:30:16,029 --> 00:30:11,390 straight in a matter of seconds several 673 00:30:19,450 --> 00:30:16,039 thousand feet up yes they went Wow they 674 00:30:22,990 --> 00:30:19,460 and they they then there was a bump and 675 00:30:29,139 --> 00:30:23,000 the UFO let them go and the UFO took off 676 00:30:33,460 --> 00:30:29,149 and these guys landed and they they 677 00:30:34,840 --> 00:30:33,470 contacted headquarters and said listen 678 00:30:36,340 --> 00:30:34,850 we're going to the authorities about 679 00:30:38,529 --> 00:30:36,350 this so we'll go into the press because 680 00:30:41,110 --> 00:30:38,539 we're not keeping quiet about this plus 681 00:30:44,620 --> 00:30:41,120 there was at least one group of 682 00:30:48,970 --> 00:30:44,630 eyewitnesses on the ground who had seen 683 00:30:52,980 --> 00:30:48,980 this thing happen and so they they were 684 00:30:57,320 --> 00:30:52,990 allowed to speak to to the press and 685 00:31:04,430 --> 00:31:02,750 I first became aware of of the fact that 686 00:31:07,550 --> 00:31:04,440 the the commander of the helicopter 687 00:31:10,310 --> 00:31:07,560 captain Larry Coyne was going to be a 688 00:31:11,870 --> 00:31:10,320 guest on the old Dick Cavett show oh 689 00:31:14,690 --> 00:31:11,880 yeah ah the late late night talk show 690 00:31:19,760 --> 00:31:14,700 and I watched it and I was just so 691 00:31:22,850 --> 00:31:19,770 mesmerised by this guy's story that I 692 00:31:25,550 --> 00:31:22,860 mean nobody was really coming out of the 693 00:31:27,230 --> 00:31:25,560 woodwork saying oh well what they 694 00:31:31,100 --> 00:31:27,240 probably really encountered was the 695 00:31:34,370 --> 00:31:31,110 planet Jupiter you know and you expect 696 00:31:37,250 --> 00:31:34,380 that all the time and and and they were 697 00:31:39,290 --> 00:31:37,260 just amazing so I this this totally 698 00:31:41,390 --> 00:31:39,300 grabbed me and I thought well I want to 699 00:31:44,150 --> 00:31:41,400 know more about this stuff and I started 700 00:31:49,400 --> 00:31:44,160 reading books so this was like in the 701 00:31:52,160 --> 00:31:49,410 mid to late 1973 and into 74 and and it 702 00:31:54,290 --> 00:31:52,170 occurred to me that I would really like 703 00:31:56,600 --> 00:31:54,300 to hear from more people like this 704 00:32:00,170 --> 00:31:56,610 helicopter pilot and I think the public 705 00:32:03,500 --> 00:32:00,180 would like to hear of these kinds of 706 00:32:08,270 --> 00:32:03,510 experiences that are so hard to explain 707 00:32:12,460 --> 00:32:08,280 and you know without me taking an 708 00:32:15,500 --> 00:32:12,470 attitude of you know conspiracy lying 709 00:32:18,380 --> 00:32:15,510 cover-up I I never really was into that 710 00:32:22,490 --> 00:32:18,390 attitude or into that head I just wanted 711 00:32:24,260 --> 00:32:22,500 to find out whatever I could and one of 712 00:32:27,350 --> 00:32:24,270 the books that I read at the time was 713 00:32:29,000 --> 00:32:27,360 called beyond Earth man's contact with 714 00:32:32,140 --> 00:32:29,010 UFOs and it was written by a couple 715 00:32:35,120 --> 00:32:32,150 Ralph and Judy Blum and I was really 716 00:32:36,800 --> 00:32:35,130 into this book because they they they 717 00:32:39,290 --> 00:32:36,810 gathered a lot of interesting people 718 00:32:44,420 --> 00:32:39,300 like like the helicopter commander Larry 719 00:32:46,430 --> 00:32:44,430 coin and astronauts politicians other 720 00:32:48,950 --> 00:32:46,440 military people psychiatrists 721 00:32:52,040 --> 00:32:48,960 psychologists law enforcement officers 722 00:32:55,850 --> 00:32:52,050 and and I was reading the quotes so in 723 00:32:58,760 --> 00:32:55,860 the book and I thought boy you know I'd 724 00:33:00,620 --> 00:32:58,770 like to meet this guy Ralph Blum and and 725 00:33:04,310 --> 00:33:00,630 tell him that I've come up with a 726 00:33:07,070 --> 00:33:04,320 possible idea that that would involve 727 00:33:10,010 --> 00:33:07,080 his book if he's interested in this and 728 00:33:11,270 --> 00:33:10,020 my idea was I'd like to hear the voices 729 00:33:14,390 --> 00:33:11,280 of these people 730 00:33:17,090 --> 00:33:14,400 and it occurred to me and this was back 731 00:33:19,310 --> 00:33:17,100 in the you know the the mid to late 732 00:33:21,080 --> 00:33:19,320 seventies I don't know if if many people 733 00:33:26,000 --> 00:33:21,090 in your audience Martin would even 734 00:33:27,980 --> 00:33:26,010 remember this but back then CBS did this 735 00:33:32,260 --> 00:33:27,990 thing with the they did these early 736 00:33:35,630 --> 00:33:32,270 television infomercials where they were 737 00:33:38,360 --> 00:33:35,640 they were putting out not just products 738 00:33:40,490 --> 00:33:38,370 like great flashlights and ways to you 739 00:33:42,260 --> 00:33:40,500 know decontaminate your home if you do 740 00:33:45,529 --> 00:33:42,270 you call in now they were they were 741 00:33:48,320 --> 00:33:45,539 actually promoting record albums vinyl 742 00:33:50,870 --> 00:33:48,330 record albums the best hits of mitch 743 00:33:54,260 --> 00:33:50,880 miller and the game is its of a hundred 744 00:33:57,529 --> 00:33:54,270 and 1 million strings you know great 745 00:33:58,970 --> 00:33:57,539 hits of the 60s and and I thought point 746 00:34:02,180 --> 00:33:58,980 this would be great because they're 747 00:34:06,860 --> 00:34:02,190 actually advertising these recordings on 748 00:34:09,800 --> 00:34:06,870 TV getting people to call in and and I 749 00:34:12,710 --> 00:34:09,810 mean this this was literally before 750 00:34:14,930 --> 00:34:12,720 there was an Internet and so I thought 751 00:34:19,609 --> 00:34:14,940 point be great together to put a record 752 00:34:21,980 --> 00:34:19,619 together like a documentary so I the 753 00:34:25,129 --> 00:34:21,990 only way that I really could figure out 754 00:34:27,649 --> 00:34:25,139 how to do this was to meet Ralph Blum 755 00:34:30,409 --> 00:34:27,659 the author of his book and all that I 756 00:34:33,379 --> 00:34:30,419 knew about where he was was that he was 757 00:34:36,260 --> 00:34:33,389 working out of an office at NBC in New 758 00:34:39,500 --> 00:34:36,270 York he was involved with helping NBC to 759 00:34:42,050 --> 00:34:39,510 a special news report on UFOs that 760 00:34:45,079 --> 00:34:42,060 featured many of the people in his book 761 00:34:47,180 --> 00:34:45,089 so I thought well I've gotta go meet 762 00:34:49,550 --> 00:34:47,190 this guy Ralph Blum somehow I want to 763 00:34:53,389 --> 00:34:49,560 see if I can get him to want to do 764 00:34:57,400 --> 00:34:53,399 something with me about UFOs and so I I 765 00:34:59,390 --> 00:34:57,410 literally one day went to NBC and 766 00:35:02,870 --> 00:34:59,400 noticed right away that you can't just 767 00:35:04,670 --> 00:35:02,880 walk through NBC the Securities was it 768 00:35:06,320 --> 00:35:04,680 was tough then you can imagine what it's 769 00:35:10,450 --> 00:35:06,330 tough now to try and get through the 770 00:35:13,310 --> 00:35:10,460 security of a company like this so I 771 00:35:14,599 --> 00:35:13,320 walked into the lobby and notice that 772 00:35:17,960 --> 00:35:14,609 there was a large group of people 773 00:35:20,660 --> 00:35:17,970 milling around near the security desks 774 00:35:22,280 --> 00:35:20,670 and I heard so many memo like oh this is 775 00:35:23,730 --> 00:35:22,290 really great I've always wanted to see a 776 00:35:25,050 --> 00:35:23,740 TV show 777 00:35:27,330 --> 00:35:25,060 I asked them what what they were there 778 00:35:30,570 --> 00:35:27,340 to see and they were there for the an 779 00:35:33,810 --> 00:35:30,580 NBC tour and they were gonna see a live 780 00:35:36,930 --> 00:35:33,820 presentation of Jeopardy because that's 781 00:35:38,790 --> 00:35:36,940 what Jeopardy was done back then so I 782 00:35:41,910 --> 00:35:38,800 just waited and waited and look kind of 783 00:35:43,859 --> 00:35:41,920 innocent and when the group was ushered 784 00:35:45,540 --> 00:35:43,869 through security to get onto one of the 785 00:35:49,200 --> 00:35:45,550 elevators to go upstairs for their tour 786 00:35:52,290 --> 00:35:49,210 I just joined the group I just blend it 787 00:35:53,160 --> 00:35:52,300 went right through security nobody asked 788 00:35:56,880 --> 00:35:53,170 me any questions 789 00:35:59,640 --> 00:35:56,890 and got into the elevators and followed 790 00:36:01,320 --> 00:35:59,650 the group and went in to see jeopardy I 791 00:36:02,730 --> 00:36:01,330 figured well while I'm in here I might 792 00:36:05,000 --> 00:36:02,740 as well go check out the shoot the show 793 00:36:08,010 --> 00:36:05,010 because this might be kind of fun so 794 00:36:10,080 --> 00:36:08,020 that's so I did that so a couple of 795 00:36:12,480 --> 00:36:10,090 tapings of the show and then when the 796 00:36:14,100 --> 00:36:12,490 show is over and the ushers brought us 797 00:36:17,609 --> 00:36:14,110 out into the halls they said now we're 798 00:36:19,560 --> 00:36:17,619 going to finish our tour of NBC News so 799 00:36:21,270 --> 00:36:19,570 make sure you stay in line stay with the 800 00:36:24,000 --> 00:36:21,280 group don't mingle or don't you know 801 00:36:26,640 --> 00:36:24,010 don't they'll kind of wander off and the 802 00:36:29,460 --> 00:36:26,650 group went down one hall and I wandered 803 00:36:32,280 --> 00:36:29,470 off down another hall oh jeez that's 804 00:36:35,820 --> 00:36:32,290 exact it's exactly what I did and I 805 00:36:38,240 --> 00:36:35,830 started going through one office after 806 00:36:40,710 --> 00:36:38,250 another anything that was that was 807 00:36:42,630 --> 00:36:40,720 indicated by a sign on the door that 808 00:36:45,690 --> 00:36:42,640 said newsroom or news something or other 809 00:36:47,250 --> 00:36:45,700 and finally I found a room and I said is 810 00:36:50,910 --> 00:36:47,260 this the right office room for Ralph 811 00:36:53,040 --> 00:36:50,920 Blum they said yeah I said oh okay great 812 00:36:57,090 --> 00:36:53,050 I'm here to pick up his mail for him and 813 00:36:59,580 --> 00:36:57,100 take it to him oh good and that's and 814 00:37:02,970 --> 00:36:59,590 that that silence was brought to you by 815 00:37:05,400 --> 00:37:02,980 my late father who when I told him the 816 00:37:13,190 --> 00:37:05,410 story eventually he went yes that's my 817 00:37:16,980 --> 00:37:13,200 son without asking me any more questions 818 00:37:18,620 --> 00:37:16,990 they gave me Ralph plums mail which of 819 00:37:22,349 --> 00:37:18,630 course gave me his address 820 00:37:24,060 --> 00:37:22,359 in New York City and they wrapped it up 821 00:37:28,440 --> 00:37:24,070 for me and put a rubber band on and put 822 00:37:32,700 --> 00:37:28,450 it in there and III I thanked them more 823 00:37:35,520 --> 00:37:32,710 than they could ever know and I went up 824 00:37:37,190 --> 00:37:35,530 to the Upper East Side of New York and I 825 00:37:41,059 --> 00:37:37,200 found the building 826 00:37:43,279 --> 00:37:41,069 that was the the I guess it was the 827 00:37:45,559 --> 00:37:43,289 correct address from some of the mail 828 00:37:47,779 --> 00:37:45,569 and I ring his buzzer because his name 829 00:37:50,120 --> 00:37:47,789 was downstairs and there was no answer 830 00:37:53,870 --> 00:37:50,130 so I rang the buzzer for the 831 00:37:56,870 --> 00:37:53,880 superintendent and the guy came out and 832 00:37:59,809 --> 00:37:56,880 I said hey hi I'm I'm a friend of mr. 833 00:38:01,640 --> 00:37:59,819 Blum's I'm just here to deliver some 834 00:38:03,470 --> 00:38:01,650 mail for him can I leave it with you and 835 00:38:05,809 --> 00:38:03,480 when you get it to him and he says sure 836 00:38:06,130 --> 00:38:05,819 so I wrote a little note on a piece of 837 00:38:10,549 --> 00:38:06,140 paper 838 00:38:12,950 --> 00:38:10,559 dear mr. Blum my name is Lea Spiegel I'm 839 00:38:15,289 --> 00:38:12,960 not here just to deliver your mail but I 840 00:38:17,120 --> 00:38:15,299 love your book I have an idea that I'd 841 00:38:20,420 --> 00:38:17,130 like to talk to you about regarding UFOs 842 00:38:22,220 --> 00:38:20,430 I hope I'll hear from you someday and I 843 00:38:25,339 --> 00:38:22,230 wrote my telephone number when I gave it 844 00:38:29,029 --> 00:38:25,349 to the super and off I went like two 845 00:38:31,069 --> 00:38:29,039 days went by and and my phone rang and I 846 00:38:32,839 --> 00:38:31,079 picked it up my said I and he said is 847 00:38:35,450 --> 00:38:32,849 this Lea Spiegel I said yeah who's this 848 00:38:38,720 --> 00:38:35,460 he said my name is Ralph Blum how did 849 00:38:41,059 --> 00:38:38,730 you get my mail good luck 850 00:38:43,789 --> 00:38:41,069 didn't you realistically go to jail for 851 00:38:47,599 --> 00:38:43,799 doing something like that I mean yeah of 852 00:38:49,970 --> 00:38:47,609 course but but you know you you do you 853 00:38:52,700 --> 00:38:49,980 do things and there's a famous line in 854 00:38:54,019 --> 00:38:52,710 in the first Indiana Jones movie you 855 00:38:56,480 --> 00:38:54,029 know the Raiders of the Lost Ark where 856 00:38:58,400 --> 00:38:56,490 we're Marion and Sawa are asking Indy 857 00:39:00,559 --> 00:38:58,410 how is he gonna do this next thing he's 858 00:39:04,370 --> 00:39:00,569 got to do and he says I don't know I'm 859 00:39:05,870 --> 00:39:04,380 just making it up as I go along that's 860 00:39:10,279 --> 00:39:05,880 what I that's what I was doing 861 00:39:14,299 --> 00:39:10,289 yeah we met III he loved that he loved 862 00:39:16,910 --> 00:39:14,309 the story of how I got his mail and not 863 00:39:20,509 --> 00:39:16,920 long after that Ralph and I found 864 00:39:24,579 --> 00:39:20,519 ourselves in an office at CBS doing a 865 00:39:28,370 --> 00:39:24,589 pitch to the CBS records brass and 866 00:39:28,940 --> 00:39:28,380 basically the pitch was I would like to 867 00:39:30,529 --> 00:39:28,950 put together 868 00:39:34,910 --> 00:39:30,539 I would like to produce and write a 869 00:39:38,269 --> 00:39:34,920 vinyl recording documentary about UFOs 870 00:39:40,460 --> 00:39:38,279 and we've already talked with Ralph's 871 00:39:43,910 --> 00:39:40,470 publisher at the time was Bantam Books 872 00:39:48,799 --> 00:39:43,920 and Bantam wants to get on board and the 873 00:39:50,870 --> 00:39:48,809 idea was if when you sell the record you 874 00:39:54,710 --> 00:39:50,880 say to your possible customers 875 00:39:58,220 --> 00:39:54,720 if you don't like the record keep the 876 00:40:00,470 --> 00:39:58,230 book as our gift and and so part of the 877 00:40:03,230 --> 00:40:00,480 deal was and they let me do this I 878 00:40:07,310 --> 00:40:03,240 wanted I wanted a television commercial 879 00:40:09,530 --> 00:40:07,320 ah for to sell my album because that had 880 00:40:12,650 --> 00:40:09,540 never been done before you'd never seen 881 00:40:14,900 --> 00:40:12,660 anything like that no big companies of 882 00:40:18,490 --> 00:40:14,910 that magnitude had ever gone on the air 883 00:40:20,900 --> 00:40:18,500 and tried to promote a UFO product so I 884 00:40:24,500 --> 00:40:20,910 figured well I better put a good product 885 00:40:28,550 --> 00:40:24,510 together and and so I ended up going out 886 00:40:30,080 --> 00:40:28,560 around the country interviewing so many 887 00:40:33,050 --> 00:40:30,090 of the people that were in Ralph's books 888 00:40:35,300 --> 00:40:33,060 astronauts really people in politics law 889 00:40:37,520 --> 00:40:35,310 enforcement military like I mentioned 890 00:40:41,660 --> 00:40:37,530 before we put this whole thing together 891 00:40:44,720 --> 00:40:41,670 they let me write the the two-minute TV 892 00:40:46,550 --> 00:40:44,730 spot for it we produced the spot in New 893 00:40:48,860 --> 00:40:46,560 York and it went out on TV it was 894 00:40:52,640 --> 00:40:48,870 unbelievable Martin to see this thing on 895 00:40:54,560 --> 00:40:52,650 TV you have like did you ever get that 896 00:40:59,120 --> 00:40:54,570 recorded I mean do you have a recording 897 00:41:00,020 --> 00:40:59,130 of that the commercial yeah oh yeah oh 898 00:41:02,780 --> 00:41:00,030 I've got it 899 00:41:05,720 --> 00:41:02,790 oh god I'd love to see that yeah you 900 00:41:07,250 --> 00:41:05,730 know I actually have been I've been 901 00:41:10,970 --> 00:41:07,260 thinking that what I really need to do 902 00:41:15,440 --> 00:41:10,980 I've got so many tapes that I need to 903 00:41:17,360 --> 00:41:15,450 convert to digital including many tape 904 00:41:20,030 --> 00:41:17,370 hundreds of tapes that I've done all my 905 00:41:23,090 --> 00:41:20,040 old interviews on and I have that 906 00:41:25,400 --> 00:41:23,100 original TV commercial spot on an old 907 00:41:28,220 --> 00:41:25,410 VHS tape so I just I just need to be 908 00:41:30,050 --> 00:41:28,230 able to transfer it to digital and and 909 00:41:32,960 --> 00:41:30,060 it'll be there to be preserved but yeah 910 00:41:35,030 --> 00:41:32,970 I've got it and when I look at it now 911 00:41:41,680 --> 00:41:35,040 it's so odd to see it because it looks 912 00:41:49,070 --> 00:41:45,170 so so that that was the first thing that 913 00:41:54,160 --> 00:41:49,080 that I did and one of the people who I 914 00:41:57,980 --> 00:41:54,170 met who I became longtime friends with 915 00:41:59,800 --> 00:41:57,990 while I was working on the album was dr. 916 00:42:02,770 --> 00:41:59,810 J Allen Hynek 917 00:42:06,490 --> 00:42:02,780 and Alan Hynek one day while I was in 918 00:42:08,950 --> 00:42:06,500 the middle of doing the album and 919 00:42:11,740 --> 00:42:08,960 producing and collecting interviews he 920 00:42:15,460 --> 00:42:11,750 called me up and and from Evanston 921 00:42:17,920 --> 00:42:15,470 Illinois where he was the the director 922 00:42:20,670 --> 00:42:17,930 of the the Center for UFO studies and 923 00:42:25,650 --> 00:42:20,680 again a little little quick background 924 00:42:29,890 --> 00:42:25,660 for about 22 years dr. Hynek was the 925 00:42:31,570 --> 00:42:29,900 absolute scientific spokesperson for the 926 00:42:35,020 --> 00:42:31,580 United States Air Force for the Air 927 00:42:39,160 --> 00:42:35,030 Force's Project Blue Book which which 928 00:42:41,980 --> 00:42:39,170 was the official it was it lasted for 929 00:42:44,470 --> 00:42:41,990 more than well was like 30 years from 930 00:42:47,920 --> 00:42:44,480 the 40s into the 60s this was the 931 00:42:52,870 --> 00:42:47,930 official military investigation of the 932 00:42:55,180 --> 00:42:52,880 UFOs and every time there was any kind 933 00:42:58,360 --> 00:42:55,190 of major sightings anywhere the Air 934 00:43:02,260 --> 00:42:58,370 Force would send dr. Hynek who was a 935 00:43:03,880 --> 00:43:02,270 known scientific skeptic about UFOs they 936 00:43:07,680 --> 00:43:03,890 would send him to the places and 937 00:43:10,930 --> 00:43:07,690 basically say to him make this go away 938 00:43:13,870 --> 00:43:10,940 we don't want any more public alarm over 939 00:43:17,370 --> 00:43:13,880 this just quiet it down and then move on 940 00:43:20,800 --> 00:43:17,380 to the next case and he did that and he 941 00:43:24,970 --> 00:43:20,810 ended up hating the fact that he had to 942 00:43:28,600 --> 00:43:24,980 do that because along the way when he 943 00:43:31,870 --> 00:43:28,610 started realizing that the Air Force was 944 00:43:35,590 --> 00:43:31,880 was doing in-depth investigations about 945 00:43:37,990 --> 00:43:35,600 UFOs and he started changing his mind he 946 00:43:39,940 --> 00:43:38,000 also realized that many of his 947 00:43:43,180 --> 00:43:39,950 scientific colleagues were turning 948 00:43:46,390 --> 00:43:43,190 against him hmm because he thought that 949 00:43:48,910 --> 00:43:46,400 there really was something about UFOs 950 00:43:53,920 --> 00:43:48,920 that should have been investigated by 951 00:43:56,230 --> 00:43:53,930 science and so he and I became friends 952 00:43:58,540 --> 00:43:56,240 and as I said one day I was working on 953 00:44:02,590 --> 00:43:58,550 my record album and he called me and he 954 00:44:04,000 --> 00:44:02,600 said that he wanted to ask me a favor he 955 00:44:06,550 --> 00:44:04,010 was getting these phone calls from 956 00:44:08,800 --> 00:44:06,560 police officers and highway patrolmen 957 00:44:12,040 --> 00:44:08,810 sheriff's deputies down in Lumberton 958 00:44:13,450 --> 00:44:12,050 North Carolina they were seeing some 959 00:44:16,660 --> 00:44:13,460 strange object in this 960 00:44:20,680 --> 00:44:16,670 Gai several nights in a row and they 961 00:44:23,620 --> 00:44:20,690 were asking his help to investigated he 962 00:44:25,690 --> 00:44:23,630 had no investigator down this so he said 963 00:44:28,270 --> 00:44:25,700 to me I know you're busy working on your 964 00:44:30,880 --> 00:44:28,280 documentary but do you have the time to 965 00:44:32,260 --> 00:44:30,890 go down there and and maybe do some 966 00:44:36,040 --> 00:44:32,270 interviews for me with the the police 967 00:44:38,589 --> 00:44:36,050 officers and and just put a report 968 00:44:40,000 --> 00:44:38,599 together and send me the report and if 969 00:44:43,060 --> 00:44:40,010 you come back with some really good 970 00:44:45,550 --> 00:44:43,070 stuff I'll publish your findings through 971 00:44:48,940 --> 00:44:45,560 the Center for UFO studies so I asked 972 00:44:50,770 --> 00:44:48,950 him what are these people reporting and 973 00:44:54,870 --> 00:44:50,780 he said well it's something different 974 00:44:58,710 --> 00:44:54,880 than we've ever seen these days here in 975 00:45:01,720 --> 00:44:58,720 1975 they're reporting something that's 976 00:45:03,730 --> 00:45:01,730 triangular shaped or boomerang shaped 977 00:45:06,730 --> 00:45:03,740 and we haven't really had a lot of 978 00:45:09,609 --> 00:45:06,740 reports like that and I said wait a 979 00:45:11,849 --> 00:45:09,619 minute are you telling me that youyou 980 00:45:15,099 --> 00:45:11,859 want me to go down to North Carolina and 981 00:45:19,329 --> 00:45:15,109 and basically try and see a flying 982 00:45:23,680 --> 00:45:19,339 Dorito because that's what this thing 983 00:45:25,570 --> 00:45:23,690 sounded like and I said you know I'd 984 00:45:28,900 --> 00:45:25,580 much rather see a classic flying saucer 985 00:45:31,000 --> 00:45:28,910 if I'm gonna see anything at all and he 986 00:45:34,000 --> 00:45:31,010 started to say well look if you don't 987 00:45:35,859 --> 00:45:34,010 want to go and I said no don't don't 988 00:45:38,470 --> 00:45:35,869 complete that thought because there is 989 00:45:39,370 --> 00:45:38,480 no way in the world that I am going to 990 00:45:42,130 --> 00:45:39,380 piss you off 991 00:45:45,400 --> 00:45:42,140 because of who you are and that you've 992 00:45:47,290 --> 00:45:45,410 asked me to do this I'm going we just on 993 00:45:49,900 --> 00:45:47,300 the off chance of getting some good 994 00:45:52,210 --> 00:45:49,910 interviews you bet I'll go and and 995 00:45:57,370 --> 00:45:52,220 within a few hours of my arrival in 996 00:45:59,800 --> 00:45:57,380 North Carolina in April of 1975 I hit 997 00:46:03,490 --> 00:45:59,810 the jackpot and I believe you're showing 998 00:46:07,020 --> 00:46:03,500 part of that jackpot on your YouTube 999 00:46:11,200 --> 00:46:07,030 channel right now I am yeah the painting 1000 00:46:14,349 --> 00:46:11,210 this is a painting of the most dramatic 1001 00:46:16,000 --> 00:46:14,359 moment of the encounter and for those of 1002 00:46:18,820 --> 00:46:16,010 you who are looking at this there's a 1003 00:46:21,250 --> 00:46:18,830 you can see one particular figure in the 1004 00:46:24,510 --> 00:46:21,260 middle with his arms outstretched yep 1005 00:46:28,230 --> 00:46:26,190 and and you know this whole thing 1006 00:46:30,680 --> 00:46:28,240 started where that the call started 1007 00:46:33,410 --> 00:46:30,690 coming into the dispatchers office and 1008 00:46:37,460 --> 00:46:33,420 we got into the sheriff's cars we 1009 00:46:40,080 --> 00:46:37,470 following each other through car radios 1010 00:46:41,880 --> 00:46:40,090 finally coming upon this field everybody 1011 00:46:45,060 --> 00:46:41,890 got out of the cars and this thing 1012 00:46:46,800 --> 00:46:45,070 started from behind where the trees are 1013 00:46:49,800 --> 00:46:46,810 that you can see there in the painting 1014 00:46:52,350 --> 00:46:49,810 and it was a field the big field in 1015 00:46:54,390 --> 00:46:52,360 between where the trees were and where 1016 00:46:56,880 --> 00:46:54,400 we were standing and this thing first 1017 00:47:00,210 --> 00:46:56,890 appeared over the trees moving slowly 1018 00:47:02,100 --> 00:47:00,220 from left to right just flashing a white 1019 00:47:04,950 --> 00:47:02,110 light and a red light and then back to 1020 00:47:07,260 --> 00:47:04,960 white and red and then it stopped at one 1021 00:47:09,810 --> 00:47:07,270 point above the trees and then it 1022 00:47:11,750 --> 00:47:09,820 started moving slowly across the field 1023 00:47:14,580 --> 00:47:11,760 in our direction 1024 00:47:17,040 --> 00:47:14,590 so we're just standing there watching 1025 00:47:19,710 --> 00:47:17,050 and waiting we didn't know what it was 1026 00:47:23,310 --> 00:47:19,720 going to do and it got to the point 1027 00:47:27,240 --> 00:47:23,320 where it was directly above us just like 1028 00:47:28,770 --> 00:47:27,250 you see in the painting and at that 1029 00:47:32,090 --> 00:47:28,780 point we could see there was a row of 1030 00:47:34,230 --> 00:47:32,100 like white lights up one side of it like 1031 00:47:37,320 --> 00:47:34,240 red lights up the other side with a 1032 00:47:39,540 --> 00:47:37,330 brighter light at the apex but it was 1033 00:47:41,730 --> 00:47:39,550 because of the brightness of these 1034 00:47:46,920 --> 00:47:41,740 lights that we could actually make out 1035 00:47:51,030 --> 00:47:46,930 the triangular shape of the thing and oh 1036 00:47:53,609 --> 00:47:51,040 well yes it made no sound had no engine 1037 00:47:58,470 --> 00:47:53,619 nothing at all no visible means of 1038 00:48:01,200 --> 00:47:58,480 propulsion whatsoever here in 1975 rural 1039 00:48:03,950 --> 00:48:01,210 North Carolina and as we watched it all 1040 00:48:07,470 --> 00:48:03,960 of a sudden this beam of light came 1041 00:48:11,310 --> 00:48:07,480 straight down from it and right and hit 1042 00:48:12,510 --> 00:48:11,320 the ground right in front of us it was 1043 00:48:15,180 --> 00:48:12,520 only on the ground 1044 00:48:17,670 --> 00:48:15,190 maybe maybe two seconds three seconds 1045 00:48:21,630 --> 00:48:17,680 certainly long enough for my heart which 1046 00:48:23,760 --> 00:48:21,640 was pounding out of my chest and the the 1047 00:48:26,670 --> 00:48:23,770 light went back up and then the entire 1048 00:48:31,440 --> 00:48:26,680 object turned an amber color the whole 1049 00:48:34,320 --> 00:48:31,450 thing well it slowly turned about 45 1050 00:48:37,980 --> 00:48:34,330 degrees and then very slowly moved away 1051 00:48:40,170 --> 00:48:37,990 as if to say I'm done with you guys 1052 00:48:42,750 --> 00:48:40,180 I'm going somewhere else to screw around 1053 00:48:46,560 --> 00:48:42,760 with someone else's head at this point 1054 00:48:50,930 --> 00:48:46,570 and and we get into the cars and again 1055 00:48:54,150 --> 00:48:50,940 through car radios we found we came upon 1056 00:48:56,609 --> 00:48:54,160 different law enforcement officers who 1057 00:49:00,540 --> 00:48:56,619 had just had their own close encounter 1058 00:49:03,810 --> 00:49:00,550 with this thing and probably the most 1059 00:49:06,920 --> 00:49:03,820 dramatic of them which ended up in my 1060 00:49:11,420 --> 00:49:06,930 report was I came upon a police chief 1061 00:49:14,250 --> 00:49:11,430 who was in his car patrolling a lake and 1062 00:49:15,990 --> 00:49:14,260 I went over to where he was sitting in 1063 00:49:18,510 --> 00:49:16,000 the car and I said all right chief what 1064 00:49:20,310 --> 00:49:18,520 what did you see he said I was just 1065 00:49:23,670 --> 00:49:20,320 sitting in here and the whole inside of 1066 00:49:25,920 --> 00:49:23,680 my car lit up just totally lit up and I 1067 00:49:28,890 --> 00:49:25,930 looked off the window and there was this 1068 00:49:31,500 --> 00:49:28,900 thing just sitting in the sky above me 1069 00:49:33,570 --> 00:49:31,510 and I said all right what did you do 1070 00:49:35,340 --> 00:49:33,580 next he said I get out of the car I 1071 00:49:38,400 --> 00:49:35,350 opened up my trunk pulled out my big 1072 00:49:39,240 --> 00:49:38,410 official police lantern that we use for 1073 00:49:42,510 --> 00:49:39,250 emergencies 1074 00:49:45,300 --> 00:49:42,520 I aimed it up with a thing and I blinked 1075 00:49:49,200 --> 00:49:45,310 once at it and the thing blinked back at 1076 00:49:51,390 --> 00:49:49,210 me I said oh wow yeah I know that's why 1077 00:49:54,210 --> 00:49:51,400 I said art well chief well did anything 1078 00:49:57,330 --> 00:49:54,220 else happen he said yeah I blinked at it 1079 00:50:04,680 --> 00:49:57,340 again twice and it blinked back to me 1080 00:50:07,070 --> 00:50:04,690 twice you know and what what what I want 1081 00:50:12,109 --> 00:50:07,080 to say also about this Martin is that 1082 00:50:16,200 --> 00:50:12,119 years later when I was at a UFO 1083 00:50:20,780 --> 00:50:16,210 conference on in California I happened 1084 00:50:25,500 --> 00:50:20,790 to meet up with one of the leading UFO 1085 00:50:28,260 --> 00:50:25,510 skeptics the bunkers in the world and I 1086 00:50:29,580 --> 00:50:28,270 don't mind saying who it is it's Robert 1087 00:50:32,359 --> 00:50:29,590 Schaeffer 1088 00:50:34,950 --> 00:50:32,369 I've known Robert for many years I I 1089 00:50:36,599 --> 00:50:34,960 respect a lot of what he does and a lot 1090 00:50:39,599 --> 00:50:36,609 of what he says because I think 1091 00:50:43,470 --> 00:50:39,609 skepticism is is really important I 1092 00:50:46,950 --> 00:50:43,480 don't think ridicule is and and it has 1093 00:50:48,240 --> 00:50:46,960 no place at all in the study of anything 1094 00:50:50,640 --> 00:50:48,250 whether it's UFOs 1095 00:50:51,450 --> 00:50:50,650 you know Loch Ness monster unexplained 1096 00:50:54,240 --> 00:50:51,460 phenomena 1097 00:50:57,270 --> 00:50:54,250 anything ridicule is the last thing you 1098 00:50:58,890 --> 00:50:57,280 want to inflict on people who believe 1099 00:51:02,640 --> 00:50:58,900 they've had a very special experience 1100 00:51:05,790 --> 00:51:02,650 with something so I'm at this UFO 1101 00:51:08,010 --> 00:51:05,800 conference and and we ran into each 1102 00:51:09,420 --> 00:51:08,020 other I said Robert you know I've been 1103 00:51:12,810 --> 00:51:09,430 meaning to tell you about something that 1104 00:51:14,850 --> 00:51:12,820 happened to me back in 1975 let's go 1105 00:51:17,880 --> 00:51:14,860 somewhere I said where it's quiet and 1106 00:51:22,650 --> 00:51:17,890 I'll tell you I laid out the whole story 1107 00:51:25,860 --> 00:51:22,660 to him and when I was done I said sorry 1108 00:51:28,410 --> 00:51:25,870 Robert you heard the story what do you 1109 00:51:31,830 --> 00:51:28,420 think I saw that night and he said he 1110 00:51:34,440 --> 00:51:31,840 said well if you haven't changed the 1111 00:51:36,540 --> 00:51:34,450 details of the story in all these years 1112 00:51:40,380 --> 00:51:36,550 and I said no I haven't and there's 1113 00:51:43,350 --> 00:51:40,390 corroborating eyewitnesses about this he 1114 00:51:47,760 --> 00:51:43,360 said the only thing that I can think of 1115 00:51:53,540 --> 00:51:47,770 that would fit the facts is that what 1116 00:52:00,720 --> 00:51:57,180 it's pretty good lights - hmm well I 1117 00:52:04,290 --> 00:52:00,730 said Robert remember it was it was 1118 00:52:08,430 --> 00:52:04,300 nighttime it came across a field and 1119 00:52:09,570 --> 00:52:08,440 knew where we were at the right moment 1120 00:52:11,760 --> 00:52:09,580 shined the beam of light 1121 00:52:15,210 --> 00:52:11,770 how did it then get from where we were 1122 00:52:17,550 --> 00:52:15,220 to where this police chief was and and 1123 00:52:19,500 --> 00:52:17,560 and it how did it know that he was going 1124 00:52:21,960 --> 00:52:19,510 to be blinking up at it and what was he 1125 00:52:24,440 --> 00:52:21,970 blinking back at it I mean it doesn't 1126 00:52:27,960 --> 00:52:24,450 this kind of sound more like an 1127 00:52:32,160 --> 00:52:27,970 individual intelligence going on here 1128 00:52:34,980 --> 00:52:32,170 instead of some yokel with with like a 1129 00:52:38,070 --> 00:52:34,990 like an old initial I don't know 1130 00:52:40,110 --> 00:52:38,080 prototype RadioShack kite because I mean 1131 00:52:44,520 --> 00:52:40,120 who had this kind of stuff back then 1132 00:52:47,880 --> 00:52:44,530 right and and you know the other thing 1133 00:52:51,240 --> 00:52:47,890 Martin is since you know david marla 1134 00:52:53,190 --> 00:52:51,250 david marla is a really amazing 1135 00:52:55,250 --> 00:52:53,200 researcher he put together the most 1136 00:52:58,590 --> 00:52:55,260 definitive book a few years ago on 1137 00:53:02,040 --> 00:52:58,600 triangular UFOs and we didn't know each 1138 00:53:04,859 --> 00:53:02,050 other until after the book was published 1139 00:53:07,829 --> 00:53:04,869 and we finally met 1140 00:53:11,910 --> 00:53:07,839 come friends and he told me that based 1141 00:53:15,059 --> 00:53:11,920 on his independent research into many 1142 00:53:17,549 --> 00:53:15,069 triangular UFO sightings around the 1143 00:53:20,819 --> 00:53:17,559 United States the one that I was 1144 00:53:25,559 --> 00:53:20,829 involved with was the first multiple 1145 00:53:29,249 --> 00:53:25,569 witness well documented close encounter 1146 00:53:32,489 --> 00:53:29,259 of a triangular UFO in the United States 1147 00:53:34,309 --> 00:53:32,499 Wow I didn't know this of course while 1148 00:53:36,989 --> 00:53:34,319 it was happening 1149 00:53:38,789 --> 00:53:36,999 you know I'm even Alan Hynek when he 1150 00:53:40,980 --> 00:53:38,799 sent me down there he said you know we 1151 00:53:45,480 --> 00:53:40,990 haven't heard much about triangular UFOs 1152 00:53:49,140 --> 00:53:45,490 and this was 1975 this was like 22 years 1153 00:53:52,859 --> 00:53:49,150 before the Phoenix lights right now I 1154 00:53:56,819 --> 00:53:52,869 have a friend who who had an encounter 1155 00:53:58,529 --> 00:53:56,829 with the triangle in 1978 oh where was 1156 00:54:02,279 --> 00:53:58,539 it that was in Massachusetts 1157 00:54:04,890 --> 00:54:02,289 oh no kidding yeah okay yep so I mean 1158 00:54:08,999 --> 00:54:04,900 was it was it at a low altitude to where 1159 00:54:10,890 --> 00:54:09,009 he was it was a it was a woman and she 1160 00:54:12,660 --> 00:54:10,900 was a you know she was a teenager at the 1161 00:54:15,690 --> 00:54:12,670 time and she was riding with her aunt 1162 00:54:18,589 --> 00:54:15,700 and and you know they stopped the car 1163 00:54:21,839 --> 00:54:18,599 and she said you know she got out and 1164 00:54:24,390 --> 00:54:21,849 but it was right over their car and I 1165 00:54:26,999 --> 00:54:24,400 think she said the thing about the no 1166 00:54:29,210 --> 00:54:27,009 noise - I'm gonna talk about again about 1167 00:54:31,620 --> 00:54:29,220 it but she said it was in the paper 1168 00:54:35,400 --> 00:54:31,630 afterwards you know I mean other people 1169 00:54:37,920 --> 00:54:35,410 saw it there was other witnesses yeah it 1170 00:54:39,900 --> 00:54:37,930 mean it it's it's so much more frequent 1171 00:54:42,960 --> 00:54:39,910 now you said it was 1978 right yeah okay 1172 00:54:46,559 --> 00:54:42,970 mm-hmm oh then she saw like like I did 1173 00:54:48,569 --> 00:54:46,569 one of the early triangular UFOs it was 1174 00:54:50,190 --> 00:54:48,579 like it was like well the visitors 1175 00:54:54,870 --> 00:54:50,200 whoever they are they were using a new 1176 00:54:59,880 --> 00:54:54,880 model in those years yeah I've had 1177 00:55:02,039 --> 00:54:59,890 people say that to me on this show you 1178 00:55:03,989 --> 00:55:02,049 know so why is it you know why is have 1179 00:55:05,700 --> 00:55:03,999 why have they changed why they're you 1180 00:55:08,430 --> 00:55:05,710 know the orbs the cigar shape the 1181 00:55:10,920 --> 00:55:08,440 triangle the saucer what what is the 1182 00:55:14,670 --> 00:55:10,930 sauce saucer out of fashion now you know 1183 00:55:16,440 --> 00:55:14,680 but people do see discs still you know 1184 00:55:18,210 --> 00:55:16,450 it's not it's not like there's a stinked 1185 00:55:21,510 --> 00:55:18,220 or anything 1186 00:55:26,130 --> 00:55:21,520 well you know there's another thing that 1187 00:55:32,010 --> 00:55:26,140 I like to point out to people I was 1188 00:55:34,860 --> 00:55:32,020 leading leading up to this as well this 1189 00:55:38,850 --> 00:55:34,870 all happened in 1975 the encounter 1190 00:55:41,310 --> 00:55:38,860 putting my album together and the the 1191 00:55:44,010 --> 00:55:41,320 helicopter pilot Larry coin was one of 1192 00:55:48,210 --> 00:55:44,020 the people that I put on the album and 1193 00:55:50,100 --> 00:55:48,220 and it was about this time that I I was 1194 00:55:52,430 --> 00:55:50,110 feeling like okay well I've done this 1195 00:55:54,690 --> 00:55:52,440 record album and that was nice and and 1196 00:55:56,940 --> 00:55:54,700 it's helped people to understand a 1197 00:55:59,660 --> 00:55:56,950 little bit more about UFOs but now now 1198 00:56:04,050 --> 00:55:59,670 what's next what can I do now that is 1199 00:56:05,280 --> 00:56:04,060 maybe new and I thought boy somebody 1200 00:56:07,290 --> 00:56:05,290 really ought to do something at the 1201 00:56:09,510 --> 00:56:07,300 United Nations I mean because really 1202 00:56:11,760 --> 00:56:09,520 this is not just an American phenomenon 1203 00:56:15,570 --> 00:56:11,770 this is something that's happening all 1204 00:56:17,820 --> 00:56:15,580 around the world so you know it's people 1205 00:56:22,170 --> 00:56:17,830 said to me this is at the beginning of 1206 00:56:24,750 --> 00:56:22,180 1978 people said you can't just go up to 1207 00:56:28,620 --> 00:56:24,760 the United Nations knock on the door and 1208 00:56:31,140 --> 00:56:28,630 say hi may I may I please come in and do 1209 00:56:32,580 --> 00:56:31,150 a UFO presentation did you ask them what 1210 00:56:35,370 --> 00:56:32,590 their mail if they had any mail they 1211 00:56:36,960 --> 00:56:35,380 needed delivered yeah can I bring some 1212 00:56:38,300 --> 00:56:36,970 mail tomorrow maybe yeah maybe they 1213 00:56:41,910 --> 00:56:38,310 talked to me 1214 00:56:47,160 --> 00:56:41,920 yeah well and and the whole thing the 1215 00:56:51,930 --> 00:56:47,170 way that started was in 1977 now this 1216 00:56:55,350 --> 00:56:51,940 was during the year leading up to Steven 1217 00:56:57,300 --> 00:56:55,360 Spielberg giving us Close Encounters of 1218 00:57:00,510 --> 00:56:57,310 the Third Kind which became the big 1219 00:57:02,750 --> 00:57:00,520 holiday movie of 1977 they just they 1220 00:57:08,940 --> 00:57:02,760 just celebrated the 40th anniversary of 1221 00:57:11,120 --> 00:57:08,950 of that movie but also in 1977 the prime 1222 00:57:15,570 --> 00:57:11,130 minister of Grenada a little Caribbean 1223 00:57:21,020 --> 00:57:15,580 country our Grenada Eric gairy 1224 00:57:25,260 --> 00:57:21,030 was making several speeches at the UN he 1225 00:57:28,910 --> 00:57:25,270 had a personal crusade had a passion 1226 00:57:31,580 --> 00:57:28,920 about UFOs so so he claimed 1227 00:57:34,760 --> 00:57:31,590 and and he he wanted that he wanted his 1228 00:57:38,810 --> 00:57:34,770 country to become like the spotlight of 1229 00:57:40,610 --> 00:57:38,820 tourism or or whatever and he came up 1230 00:57:43,100 --> 00:57:40,620 with an idea to try and get the other 1231 00:57:46,250 --> 00:57:43,110 countries of the world to put together a 1232 00:57:49,610 --> 00:57:46,260 committee that could study UFOs together 1233 00:57:52,910 --> 00:57:49,620 and share this information and have a 1234 00:57:55,310 --> 00:57:52,920 committee be a clearinghouse set up in 1235 00:57:57,710 --> 00:57:55,320 his country of Grenada so the Grenada 1236 00:58:01,100 --> 00:57:57,720 would always be now the focal point for 1237 00:58:03,560 --> 00:58:01,110 UFOs and and I saw I watched some of 1238 00:58:05,240 --> 00:58:03,570 these things on the news about well the 1239 00:58:09,290 --> 00:58:05,250 Prime Minister of Grenada is at it again 1240 00:58:12,680 --> 00:58:09,300 he spoke to the UN today UFOs UFOs and 1241 00:58:18,770 --> 00:58:12,690 as in the past nobody's paying attention 1242 00:58:20,810 --> 00:58:18,780 to him so I thought uh-huh that was one 1243 00:58:26,150 --> 00:58:20,820 of those aha moments that again my 1244 00:58:28,610 --> 00:58:26,160 father really liked and I as you 1245 00:58:31,340 --> 00:58:28,620 probably know all the major countries of 1246 00:58:33,830 --> 00:58:31,350 the UN they all have missions their own 1247 00:58:35,480 --> 00:58:33,840 offices and they're all kind of located 1248 00:58:37,880 --> 00:58:35,490 in and around the neighborhood with the 1249 00:58:40,790 --> 00:58:37,890 United Nations is make sense so I knew 1250 00:58:44,180 --> 00:58:40,800 that Grenada had at its mission near the 1251 00:58:46,820 --> 00:58:44,190 UN I just looked it up cut its address 1252 00:58:50,440 --> 00:58:46,830 its phone number and I made contact with 1253 00:58:53,810 --> 00:58:50,450 a couple of the ambassadors there and 1254 00:58:57,380 --> 00:58:53,820 and I introduced myself and said that I 1255 00:59:01,580 --> 00:58:57,390 had recently produced a documentary 1256 00:59:05,090 --> 00:59:01,590 record on UFOs and I've been watching 1257 00:59:07,010 --> 00:59:05,100 their prime minister talk at the United 1258 00:59:08,420 --> 00:59:07,020 Nations about doing something about UFOs 1259 00:59:12,290 --> 00:59:08,430 but there doesn't seem to be any 1260 00:59:16,250 --> 00:59:12,300 interest there with him about this I 1261 00:59:18,290 --> 00:59:16,260 have an idea of how I could get the 1262 00:59:21,470 --> 00:59:18,300 United Nations to pay attention to your 1263 00:59:25,190 --> 00:59:21,480 prime minister may I come by your office 1264 00:59:27,500 --> 00:59:25,200 the mission and give you a copy of my 1265 00:59:29,390 --> 00:59:27,510 record album that you can then give to 1266 00:59:32,210 --> 00:59:29,400 your prime minister and then see if he 1267 00:59:35,810 --> 00:59:32,220 wants to talk to me and and that's what 1268 00:59:37,520 --> 00:59:35,820 we did went over to their office they 1269 00:59:39,080 --> 00:59:37,530 they were very friendly they took the 1270 00:59:40,640 --> 00:59:39,090 album they said that they would they 1271 00:59:41,350 --> 00:59:40,650 were going to get it down to him in 1272 00:59:44,350 --> 00:59:41,360 Grenada 1273 00:59:46,840 --> 00:59:44,360 and I don't know how much time passed 1274 00:59:49,540 --> 00:59:46,850 after that but I got a call from them 1275 00:59:51,580 --> 00:59:49,550 saying the Prime Minister is gonna be in 1276 00:59:53,770 --> 00:59:51,590 New York next week he there's going to 1277 00:59:57,430 --> 00:59:53,780 be a ceremony where he's going to be 1278 01:00:00,460 --> 00:59:57,440 knighted and become Sir Eric gairy 1279 01:00:03,760 --> 01:00:00,470 and there'll be a big ceremony with lots 1280 01:00:06,130 --> 01:00:03,770 of food and and dignitaries and we would 1281 01:00:07,690 --> 01:00:06,140 like to invite you to come to the 1282 01:00:09,160 --> 01:00:07,700 ceremony because the Prime Minister 1283 01:00:12,970 --> 01:00:09,170 would like to meet you 1284 01:00:15,580 --> 01:00:12,980 well I went great and holy cow 1285 01:00:18,550 --> 01:00:15,590 I'll even wear a tie I mean really I'll 1286 01:00:21,010 --> 01:00:18,560 be happy to do that thank you and I went 1287 01:00:23,740 --> 01:00:21,020 there and it was it was it was very cool 1288 01:00:27,990 --> 01:00:23,750 too to see that kind of ceremony 1289 01:00:31,450 --> 01:00:28,000 happening there and when it was all over 1290 01:00:33,040 --> 01:00:31,460 somebody brought me into a room and and 1291 01:00:35,890 --> 01:00:33,050 then they brought the Prime Minister in 1292 01:00:39,580 --> 01:00:35,900 and we were introduced we shook hands 1293 01:00:43,900 --> 01:00:39,590 and they left us alone and he said that 1294 01:00:45,310 --> 01:00:43,910 he really enjoyed my record album and in 1295 01:00:47,740 --> 01:00:45,320 fact I think you've got a picture up 1296 01:00:49,330 --> 01:00:47,750 right now on your site you know slowing 1297 01:00:54,880 --> 01:00:49,340 the prime minister in the center of the 1298 01:00:57,130 --> 01:00:54,890 screen that was Sir Eric gairy and he 1299 01:00:59,230 --> 01:00:57,140 said to me well what what is your idea 1300 01:01:01,630 --> 01:00:59,240 of doing something at the United Nations 1301 01:01:03,700 --> 01:01:01,640 and I said well mr. prime minister I've 1302 01:01:06,400 --> 01:01:03,710 been watching your speeches but with all 1303 01:01:09,010 --> 01:01:06,410 due respect the United Nations is not 1304 01:01:12,970 --> 01:01:09,020 paying attention to you they you're not 1305 01:01:15,970 --> 01:01:12,980 presenting credible reasons for them to 1306 01:01:18,580 --> 01:01:15,980 take you seriously if you liked the 1307 01:01:20,800 --> 01:01:18,590 record album that I put together then 1308 01:01:23,620 --> 01:01:20,810 you know that I had voices on that album 1309 01:01:27,610 --> 01:01:23,630 that if those voices were to somehow 1310 01:01:29,830 --> 01:01:27,620 come together as a group the media would 1311 01:01:32,020 --> 01:01:29,840 listen and if they came together as a 1312 01:01:34,060 --> 01:01:32,030 group at the United Nations the United 1313 01:01:37,410 --> 01:01:34,070 Nations will listen I can bring these 1314 01:01:40,660 --> 01:01:37,420 people together if you will sponsor my 1315 01:01:42,850 --> 01:01:40,670 presentation idea and quite literally at 1316 01:01:47,430 --> 01:01:42,860 the end of that meeting over a handshake 1317 01:01:50,410 --> 01:01:47,440 I suddenly became a delegate to Grenada 1318 01:01:53,740 --> 01:01:50,420 because I had to in I found out also 1319 01:01:55,150 --> 01:01:53,750 that not only can you not just walk up 1320 01:01:57,610 --> 01:01:55,160 and knock on the door that you 1321 01:01:59,740 --> 01:01:57,620 and asked to do a presentation if you 1322 01:02:02,260 --> 01:01:59,750 want to do something there you have to 1323 01:02:05,410 --> 01:02:02,270 either be a member of a country that 1324 01:02:08,980 --> 01:02:05,420 wants to do this presentation or you 1325 01:02:12,250 --> 01:02:08,990 have to be delegated even temporarily by 1326 01:02:16,180 --> 01:02:12,260 the country so that you are allowed they 1327 01:02:18,750 --> 01:02:16,190 gave me a special card an identification 1328 01:02:22,690 --> 01:02:18,760 card of the country of Grenada 1329 01:02:24,940 --> 01:02:22,700 indicating that I was an advisor to the 1330 01:02:26,950 --> 01:02:24,950 country and and I had to show this card 1331 01:02:30,880 --> 01:02:26,960 whenever I wanted to go into the united 1332 01:02:32,770 --> 01:02:30,890 nations throughout 1978 and the card got 1333 01:02:36,160 --> 01:02:32,780 me in almost everywhere it was 1334 01:02:38,920 --> 01:02:36,170 unbelievable Wow yeah it was it was you 1335 01:02:41,740 --> 01:02:38,930 know I wanted to go up to people I knew 1336 01:02:44,200 --> 01:02:41,750 and say hello please can you pinch me 1337 01:02:46,750 --> 01:02:44,210 because I can't believe my luck mm-hmm 1338 01:02:49,600 --> 01:02:46,760 that this is actually happening and and 1339 01:02:54,010 --> 01:02:49,610 what happens shortly after that and I 1340 01:02:56,620 --> 01:02:54,020 think this is also why I found out many 1341 01:02:58,870 --> 01:02:56,630 months later that the the our State 1342 01:03:01,930 --> 01:02:58,880 Department was watching what I was doing 1343 01:03:05,440 --> 01:03:01,940 after I made the deal with Grenada 1344 01:03:09,490 --> 01:03:05,450 I started getting checks from the United 1345 01:03:13,300 --> 01:03:09,500 Bank Grenada you know they they because 1346 01:03:17,380 --> 01:03:13,310 they paid me not a salary because I was 1347 01:03:18,970 --> 01:03:17,390 working at a night job in New York but 1348 01:03:21,070 --> 01:03:18,980 during the day you know spending all my 1349 01:03:24,730 --> 01:03:21,080 time a day daytime working on the 1350 01:03:27,070 --> 01:03:24,740 project they paid me expenses to do any 1351 01:03:30,760 --> 01:03:27,080 traveling I needed to do collect 1352 01:03:32,860 --> 01:03:30,770 documents meeting with people are just 1353 01:03:35,590 --> 01:03:32,870 going where I had to go the things that 1354 01:03:38,410 --> 01:03:35,600 just cost money for this presentation 1355 01:03:40,930 --> 01:03:38,420 and I kept lists and an inventory and an 1356 01:03:43,180 --> 01:03:40,940 accounting of all this but it was the 1357 01:03:44,950 --> 01:03:43,190 only way that I could have pulled it off 1358 01:03:49,330 --> 01:03:44,960 because I wasn't gonna do on my own 1359 01:03:56,340 --> 01:03:49,340 money and and so it was right about that 1360 01:03:59,530 --> 01:03:56,350 time that I sent my actual proposal to 1361 01:04:01,240 --> 01:03:59,540 dr. Allen Hynek who if you're looking in 1362 01:04:02,590 --> 01:04:01,250 the picture he's the man holding the 1363 01:04:06,520 --> 01:04:02,600 pipe in his mouth on the right of the 1364 01:04:08,220 --> 01:04:06,530 picture and many of your viewers or your 1365 01:04:11,910 --> 01:04:08,230 viewers and listeners why 1366 01:04:14,120 --> 01:04:11,920 remember the in at the very last act of 1367 01:04:16,530 --> 01:04:14,130 Close Encounters of the Third Kind 1368 01:04:18,810 --> 01:04:16,540 Steven Spielberg puts off to Hynek in 1369 01:04:20,490 --> 01:04:18,820 the movie for 8 seconds right it was 1370 01:04:23,070 --> 01:04:20,500 right after the bubble ship came down 1371 01:04:25,590 --> 01:04:23,080 and Spielberg got a shot of Hynek 1372 01:04:28,590 --> 01:04:25,600 walking out from the crowd of scientists 1373 01:04:32,280 --> 01:04:28,600 looking up and wonder on stroking his 1374 01:04:36,359 --> 01:04:32,290 beard and holding his pipe that was it 1375 01:04:38,370 --> 01:04:36,369 so I I I said I said Allen my proposal 1376 01:04:40,650 --> 01:04:38,380 and he wrote me a really long great 1377 01:04:42,359 --> 01:04:40,660 letter saying I I love your proposal as 1378 01:04:43,890 --> 01:04:42,369 you know for years I've been trying to 1379 01:04:47,099 --> 01:04:43,900 get the United Nations to do something 1380 01:04:49,109 --> 01:04:47,109 on this I and the Center for UFO stories 1381 01:04:52,109 --> 01:04:49,119 completely endorsed what you're trying 1382 01:04:54,240 --> 01:04:52,119 to do and I want to be there for any 1383 01:04:56,580 --> 01:04:54,250 meetings that you think I can be helpful 1384 01:04:58,740 --> 01:04:56,590 and on the day of the final presentation 1385 01:05:01,920 --> 01:04:58,750 I'll be there for anything you want and 1386 01:05:04,310 --> 01:05:01,930 and I said well this this is great I 1387 01:05:06,720 --> 01:05:04,320 want you to be one of my speakers and 1388 01:05:08,849 --> 01:05:06,730 can you maybe get this guy 1389 01:05:11,130 --> 01:05:08,859 Jacques Vallee because I haven't met 1390 01:05:14,130 --> 01:05:11,140 Jacques Vallee and now I know a little 1391 01:05:16,380 --> 01:05:14,140 bit about him he was the role he was the 1392 01:05:18,030 --> 01:05:16,390 real-life model for the French scientist 1393 01:05:20,580 --> 01:05:18,040 in Close Encounters of the Third Kind 1394 01:05:22,830 --> 01:05:20,590 and I said to Allen Hynek because they 1395 01:05:27,510 --> 01:05:22,840 were friends Alan was jacque's mentor 1396 01:05:30,210 --> 01:05:27,520 and I said to Alan if you can I convince 1397 01:05:34,640 --> 01:05:30,220 Jacques to want to be one of my speakers 1398 01:05:37,530 --> 01:05:34,650 I I would be more than thrilled and and 1399 01:05:39,570 --> 01:05:37,540 so that's kind of how that happened 1400 01:05:41,370 --> 01:05:39,580 I believe III don't know if you've put 1401 01:05:44,609 --> 01:05:41,380 the picture up yet Martin the other one 1402 01:05:46,170 --> 01:05:44,619 that showed us in the middle of 1978 1403 01:05:49,410 --> 01:05:46,180 that showed me sitting around at the 1404 01:05:51,080 --> 01:05:49,420 table with the secretary-general with 1405 01:05:54,000 --> 01:05:51,090 Jacques Vallee with Allen Hynek 1406 01:05:55,650 --> 01:05:54,010 astronaut Gordon Cooper were all we all 1407 01:05:58,980 --> 01:05:55,660 had a closed-door meeting with the 1408 01:06:01,650 --> 01:05:58,990 Secretary General Kurt Waldheim one and 1409 01:06:04,859 --> 01:06:01,660 is the picture wanted to know what we 1410 01:06:07,230 --> 01:06:04,869 were planning on doing later that year 1411 01:06:10,260 --> 01:06:07,240 you can see from the the left moving 1412 01:06:14,520 --> 01:06:10,270 clockwise as Gordon Cooper and Jacques 1413 01:06:17,370 --> 01:06:14,530 Vallee is next to him astrophysicist 1414 01:06:20,720 --> 01:06:17,380 Claude pull hair from France dr. Hynek 1415 01:06:23,130 --> 01:06:20,730 next to him the Prime Minister Grenada 1416 01:06:24,990 --> 01:06:23,140 Eric gairy there at the head of the 1417 01:06:27,180 --> 01:06:25,000 table the Secretary General of the 1418 01:06:29,760 --> 01:06:27,190 United Nations you can see the top of 1419 01:06:31,470 --> 01:06:29,770 the head of a man who was from the the 1420 01:06:34,230 --> 01:06:31,480 special from the committee for the 1421 01:06:36,150 --> 01:06:34,240 peaceful uses of outer space the next 1422 01:06:40,380 --> 01:06:36,160 guy who has all the hair like a werewolf 1423 01:06:41,520 --> 01:06:40,390 that that would be me and next to me is 1424 01:06:46,470 --> 01:06:41,530 Lynn Stringfield 1425 01:06:49,950 --> 01:06:46,480 great UFO researcher he was his name you 1426 01:06:52,620 --> 01:06:49,960 know yeah yeah and and the last person 1427 01:06:56,160 --> 01:06:52,630 in the picture dr. David Saunders who 1428 01:06:58,620 --> 01:06:56,170 was part of the the initial government 1429 01:07:02,180 --> 01:06:58,630 Condon committee that pretty much banned 1430 01:07:07,590 --> 01:07:02,190 UFOs but he was one of the people who 1431 01:07:10,470 --> 01:07:07,600 wrote a book called UFOs yes exclamation 1432 01:07:14,910 --> 01:07:10,480 point because he was really upset when 1433 01:07:17,670 --> 01:07:14,920 he realized that the government was was 1434 01:07:20,730 --> 01:07:17,680 not doing the right job in presenting 1435 01:07:24,540 --> 01:07:20,740 its findings on UFOs to the public and 1436 01:07:26,130 --> 01:07:24,550 and he he broke away from from the 1437 01:07:27,420 --> 01:07:26,140 government committees because this was 1438 01:07:29,910 --> 01:07:27,430 just not right 1439 01:07:31,650 --> 01:07:29,920 and so he was one of our advisers on 1440 01:07:35,099 --> 01:07:31,660 this thing you know I look at this 1441 01:07:38,849 --> 01:07:35,109 picture and it's it's just it's amazing 1442 01:07:40,260 --> 01:07:38,859 even if I wasn't in this picture it's 1443 01:07:42,330 --> 01:07:40,270 still amazing to see all these other 1444 01:07:50,400 --> 01:07:42,340 people there together at the United 1445 01:07:53,070 --> 01:07:50,410 Nations and that was in July of 1978 but 1446 01:07:57,510 --> 01:07:53,080 but he but even even before this 1447 01:08:00,210 --> 01:07:57,520 happened this was not the first time 1448 01:08:02,570 --> 01:08:00,220 that I met Jacques I actually met 1449 01:08:08,370 --> 01:08:02,580 Jacques a couple of months before this 1450 01:08:10,800 --> 01:08:08,380 in early 1977 I got a call from Columbia 1451 01:08:14,310 --> 01:08:10,810 Pictures for the publicity Department 1452 01:08:16,970 --> 01:08:14,320 asking me if I could be available to 1453 01:08:20,940 --> 01:08:16,980 come up to Hollywood and to meet with 1454 01:08:25,349 --> 01:08:20,950 dr. Hynek dr. Valle and Steven Spielberg 1455 01:08:28,950 --> 01:08:25,359 and I said uh I think I could make the 1456 01:08:31,979 --> 01:08:28,960 time to do that why what what is it that 1457 01:08:35,150 --> 01:08:31,989 you want me there for and and they said 1458 01:08:38,060 --> 01:08:35,160 because Steven knows about your 1459 01:08:41,030 --> 01:08:38,070 upcoming presentation at the United 1460 01:08:42,830 --> 01:08:41,040 Nations and they want to talk to see if 1461 01:08:45,980 --> 01:08:42,840 there's anything that he or the studio 1462 01:08:47,750 --> 01:08:45,990 can do in preparation as you're putting 1463 01:08:50,930 --> 01:08:47,760 this thing together during the rest of 1464 01:08:53,750 --> 01:08:50,940 1978 and that's what we did went out 1465 01:08:54,830 --> 01:08:53,760 there had this meeting with Stephen it 1466 01:08:56,890 --> 01:08:54,840 was great 1467 01:09:00,740 --> 01:08:56,900 Columbia Pictures provided me with 1468 01:09:03,230 --> 01:09:00,750 information production stuff images 1469 01:09:06,020 --> 01:09:03,240 documents that I included in the 1470 01:09:09,890 --> 01:09:06,030 document packet that we handed out to 1471 01:09:13,580 --> 01:09:09,900 all of the of the delegates at the 1472 01:09:15,890 --> 01:09:13,590 United Nations and and then then later 1473 01:09:17,599 --> 01:09:15,900 in the year in November you know 78 1474 01:09:21,320 --> 01:09:17,609 that's when we did our presentation at 1475 01:09:23,170 --> 01:09:21,330 the end of the year what you you know 1476 01:09:26,450 --> 01:09:23,180 what you look what you're showing now on 1477 01:09:28,550 --> 01:09:26,460 on your site is it's just fun for me 1478 01:09:32,060 --> 01:09:28,560 because this is a picture from just last 1479 01:09:33,710 --> 01:09:32,070 year well you wouldn't you a little 1480 01:09:39,460 --> 01:09:33,720 beyond the bits okay we can come back to 1481 01:09:42,740 --> 01:09:39,470 it last year Jacques Vallee agreed to 1482 01:09:44,840 --> 01:09:42,750 come out from hiding so to speak because 1483 01:09:46,910 --> 01:09:44,850 he he didn't want to do UFO conferences 1484 01:09:50,870 --> 01:09:46,920 at all for many many years 1485 01:09:52,849 --> 01:09:50,880 and here's a picture before you go any 1486 01:09:54,920 --> 01:09:52,859 further I can't I can't change that I'm 1487 01:09:57,170 --> 01:09:54,930 sorry it's on oh I see okay 1488 01:09:59,090 --> 01:09:57,180 okay this this is a picture of Jacques 1489 01:10:01,010 --> 01:09:59,100 and me in the background and Stanton 1490 01:10:04,070 --> 01:10:01,020 Friedman next to us this is the first 1491 01:10:06,860 --> 01:10:04,080 time the three of us were together since 1492 01:10:11,120 --> 01:10:06,870 1978 and that was just last year at the 1493 01:10:15,350 --> 01:10:11,130 International UFO Congress because Stan 1494 01:10:18,380 --> 01:10:15,360 was also one of my speakers at the UN it 1495 01:10:20,810 --> 01:10:18,390 was just an amazing experience doing 1496 01:10:25,640 --> 01:10:20,820 this meeting these people getting to 1497 01:10:28,130 --> 01:10:25,650 know them and and I I can't say enough 1498 01:10:30,200 --> 01:10:28,140 about what it was like to be there last 1499 01:10:33,170 --> 01:10:30,210 year with Jacques we're sitting at this 1500 01:10:34,820 --> 01:10:33,180 table meeting people and and he loved 1501 01:10:36,710 --> 01:10:34,830 going to the conference he loved meeting 1502 01:10:39,890 --> 01:10:36,720 people people came out of the woodwork 1503 01:10:43,160 --> 01:10:39,900 Martin yeah and it brought many of his 1504 01:10:45,860 --> 01:10:43,170 books going back to the 1960s just to 1505 01:10:48,920 --> 01:10:45,870 have him autograph the books Wow 1506 01:10:53,690 --> 01:10:48,930 good idea yeah I couldn't get over her I 1507 01:10:56,360 --> 01:10:53,700 get over how tall how tall Chuck is yeah 1508 01:10:59,270 --> 01:10:56,370 oh yeah he's just towers over everybody 1509 01:11:02,840 --> 01:10:59,280 amazing God his hair used to be much 1510 01:11:04,640 --> 01:11:02,850 taller yeah I think you know what we 1511 01:11:07,580 --> 01:11:04,650 like to laugh about it I beat him out in 1512 01:11:11,410 --> 01:11:07,590 1978 with my hair 1513 01:11:15,680 --> 01:11:11,420 hey Lee this thing with the UN is so 1514 01:11:18,710 --> 01:11:15,690 intriguing and has anyone you know I 1515 01:11:20,960 --> 01:11:18,720 know you know Steve Bassett did his 1516 01:11:23,480 --> 01:11:20,970 thing a few years ago and I know Grier 1517 01:11:25,160 --> 01:11:23,490 did something at one point but is anyone 1518 01:11:28,220 --> 01:11:25,170 ever talking about trying to do 1519 01:11:33,940 --> 01:11:28,230 something like like this actually with 1520 01:11:37,220 --> 01:11:33,950 the UN again we have any sense yeah well 1521 01:11:40,100 --> 01:11:37,230 I've been approached by people over the 1522 01:11:44,210 --> 01:11:40,110 years to to see if I would be interested 1523 01:11:49,130 --> 01:11:44,220 in trying to get another country a 1524 01:11:52,640 --> 01:11:49,140 bigger country event Grenada um to try 1525 01:11:57,860 --> 01:11:52,650 and do something at the UN but I I have 1526 01:12:02,120 --> 01:11:57,870 to tell you Martin um my I've become a 1527 01:12:06,770 --> 01:12:02,130 little jaded over the years maybe even a 1528 01:12:11,480 --> 01:12:06,780 little cynical because my my attitude 1529 01:12:16,730 --> 01:12:11,490 about UFOs and and about this word that 1530 01:12:19,870 --> 01:12:16,740 I hate to use which is disclosure i I 1531 01:12:22,700 --> 01:12:19,880 have come to hate this word because I 1532 01:12:24,350 --> 01:12:22,710 don't think it's it's not that I don't 1533 01:12:30,260 --> 01:12:24,360 think that it is going to be disclosure 1534 01:12:33,980 --> 01:12:30,270 but I believe I believe it when doctor / 1535 01:12:36,970 --> 01:12:33,990 Colonel John Alexander says to people 1536 01:12:40,160 --> 01:12:36,980 there already has been disclosure I 1537 01:12:42,080 --> 01:12:40,170 completely believe that and and this 1538 01:12:44,780 --> 01:12:42,090 brings it into a whole different realm 1539 01:12:48,080 --> 01:12:44,790 of possibilities because if there has 1540 01:12:51,290 --> 01:12:48,090 already been disclosure then why would 1541 01:12:53,540 --> 01:12:51,300 we need to have another presentation at 1542 01:12:59,030 --> 01:12:53,550 the United Nations we need something 1543 01:13:02,640 --> 01:12:59,040 different and and it it it's a very 1544 01:13:07,190 --> 01:13:02,650 delicate thing because 1545 01:13:10,050 --> 01:13:07,200 as james fox film director film 1546 01:13:13,500 --> 01:13:10,060 executive producer he's already created 1547 01:13:15,570 --> 01:13:13,510 two of the best UFO documentaries in the 1548 01:13:17,880 --> 01:13:15,580 world the first one was called out of 1549 01:13:20,820 --> 01:13:17,890 the blue the next one was called I know 1550 01:13:23,640 --> 01:13:20,830 what I saw and what what he and I are 1551 01:13:28,890 --> 01:13:23,650 working on together now is the third 1552 01:13:32,370 --> 01:13:28,900 installment of his UFO trilogy and what 1553 01:13:35,610 --> 01:13:32,380 what we're going to do is not present 1554 01:13:39,150 --> 01:13:35,620 the idea as so many other documentaries 1555 01:13:41,490 --> 01:13:39,160 do the idea that Wow 1556 01:13:43,140 --> 01:13:41,500 what's going on with the government why 1557 01:13:45,060 --> 01:13:43,150 are they telling us why are they lying 1558 01:13:45,810 --> 01:13:45,070 to us why won't they release these 1559 01:13:48,510 --> 01:13:45,820 documents 1560 01:13:50,850 --> 01:13:48,520 why won't they bla bla bla bla bla you 1561 01:13:53,430 --> 01:13:50,860 know too many conspiracies no that's 1562 01:13:55,860 --> 01:13:53,440 that's not the attitude that we're gonna 1563 01:13:59,940 --> 01:13:55,870 take or that we think others should take 1564 01:14:02,660 --> 01:13:59,950 either we we are more interested in 1565 01:14:06,240 --> 01:14:02,670 bringing the idea to the public that 1566 01:14:08,790 --> 01:14:06,250 it's it's not trying to get the 1567 01:14:11,340 --> 01:14:08,800 government to release what it knows 1568 01:14:14,520 --> 01:14:11,350 about UFOs it's trying to get them to 1569 01:14:17,730 --> 01:14:14,530 diplomatically begin talking about what 1570 01:14:20,970 --> 01:14:17,740 it doesn't know hmm because because we 1571 01:14:24,720 --> 01:14:20,980 believe this is much bigger it's much 1572 01:14:28,670 --> 01:14:24,730 more complex than anything else yet for 1573 01:14:31,560 --> 01:14:28,680 years for many years now Jacques Vallee 1574 01:14:34,380 --> 01:14:31,570 has went when he used to do more 1575 01:14:37,170 --> 01:14:34,390 interviews he would go on TV or he would 1576 01:14:41,010 --> 01:14:37,180 talk to reporters and he would say how 1577 01:14:44,340 --> 01:14:41,020 very disappointed he would be if if the 1578 01:14:49,140 --> 01:14:44,350 answer to the UFO problem or the UFO 1579 01:14:52,200 --> 01:14:49,150 issue would be so simple that we're just 1580 01:14:55,770 --> 01:14:52,210 being visited by interplanetary beings 1581 01:14:58,100 --> 01:14:55,780 from another world he said I I hope that 1582 01:15:01,110 --> 01:14:58,110 it's not just that because I believe 1583 01:15:03,450 --> 01:15:01,120 that it's much bigger much much 1584 01:15:05,820 --> 01:15:03,460 different than that mm-hmm and and 1585 01:15:09,390 --> 01:15:05,830 that's exactly where I'm going that's 1586 01:15:13,610 --> 01:15:09,400 where James Fox is going and and the 1587 01:15:16,180 --> 01:15:13,620 people that we already have in the can 1588 01:15:20,290 --> 01:15:16,190 in this movie are 1589 01:15:24,070 --> 01:15:20,300 going to back this up confirm it we have 1590 01:15:27,910 --> 01:15:24,080 some amazing individuals that will will 1591 01:15:31,780 --> 01:15:27,920 will make the public we believe kind of 1592 01:15:33,790 --> 01:15:31,790 watch this thing and go wow I I didn't 1593 01:15:38,170 --> 01:15:33,800 know that and I never thought of that 1594 01:15:39,790 --> 01:15:38,180 before right I I can't wait I know it's 1595 01:15:41,530 --> 01:15:39,800 gonna be about another year you know 1596 01:15:44,440 --> 01:15:41,540 someone will always ask you know about 1597 01:15:47,170 --> 01:15:44,450 when this movie yeah we're at we we are 1598 01:15:49,870 --> 01:15:47,180 in pre-production now we're going over 1599 01:15:52,600 --> 01:15:49,880 the next seven or eight months we will 1600 01:15:54,040 --> 01:15:52,610 be in production we've got several other 1601 01:15:56,140 --> 01:15:54,050 interviews that we're going to finish 1602 01:15:59,470 --> 01:15:56,150 we're going to get in the can and then 1603 01:16:00,970 --> 01:15:59,480 we will go into post-production and at 1604 01:16:04,090 --> 01:16:00,980 the same time the post-production is 1605 01:16:07,030 --> 01:16:04,100 happening whatever the distribution deal 1606 01:16:09,580 --> 01:16:07,040 is going to be created so we can decide 1607 01:16:12,910 --> 01:16:09,590 where is the best place to offer this 1608 01:16:16,120 --> 01:16:12,920 first whether it's in theaters you know 1609 01:16:18,460 --> 01:16:16,130 on Hulu and Netflix oh you know on 1610 01:16:20,470 --> 01:16:18,470 demand we just want to make sure that 1611 01:16:22,540 --> 01:16:20,480 it's it's going to get the best 1612 01:16:26,860 --> 01:16:22,550 distribution and I'm happy to say and 1613 01:16:30,460 --> 01:16:26,870 I'm so thrilled for James Fox right now 1614 01:16:31,810 --> 01:16:30,470 his first two movies are still doing 1615 01:16:34,300 --> 01:16:31,820 gangbusters 1616 01:16:35,620 --> 01:16:34,310 people are still downloading them and 1617 01:16:38,320 --> 01:16:35,630 you can see them both things even for 1618 01:16:41,170 --> 01:16:38,330 free on YouTube and and people are still 1619 01:16:42,910 --> 01:16:41,180 really resonating with these two movies 1620 01:16:46,330 --> 01:16:42,920 and that's just great well I'll tell you 1621 01:16:49,600 --> 01:16:46,340 what and I've said this before with or 1622 01:16:53,500 --> 01:16:49,610 and when James Fox was on my show I told 1623 01:16:58,240 --> 01:16:53,510 ya that those are my two favorite UFO 1624 01:17:01,330 --> 01:16:58,250 movies of all time I can't wait for you 1625 01:17:03,070 --> 01:17:01,340 know this next this next one can I want 1626 01:17:06,130 --> 01:17:03,080 to talk a little bit about some of the 1627 01:17:08,680 --> 01:17:06,140 cases that will be featured in and one 1628 01:17:10,360 --> 01:17:08,690 of them I'd like to talk about because I 1629 01:17:11,830 --> 01:17:10,370 had never heard about you and I were 1630 01:17:13,600 --> 01:17:11,840 talking on the phone the other day and 1631 01:17:16,360 --> 01:17:13,610 we're talking about the aerial school 1632 01:17:19,030 --> 01:17:16,370 and the West Hall where there were 1633 01:17:21,310 --> 01:17:19,040 school children which I know that James 1634 01:17:24,130 --> 01:17:21,320 I could talk about that a little bit 1635 01:17:25,840 --> 01:17:24,140 later was down in Australia I watched a 1636 01:17:29,260 --> 01:17:25,850 video with him down there on a news 1637 01:17:29,920 --> 01:17:29,270 station but about the broad haven UFO 1638 01:17:31,450 --> 01:17:29,930 sighting 1639 01:17:32,740 --> 01:17:31,460 can you talk about that because I had 1640 01:17:36,010 --> 01:17:32,750 never heard about it until you mentioned 1641 01:17:39,730 --> 01:17:36,020 it all that I know and apparently the 1642 01:17:42,100 --> 01:17:39,740 the people who were who were involved 1643 01:17:45,600 --> 01:17:42,110 with us just recently I think at the 1644 01:17:50,590 --> 01:17:45,610 beginning of this year they celebrated 1645 01:17:53,890 --> 01:17:50,600 literally a 40th anniversary of of this 1646 01:17:58,900 --> 01:17:53,900 incident that happened in South Wales 1647 01:18:00,850 --> 01:17:58,910 and it was it it I think the time was 1648 01:18:05,110 --> 01:18:00,860 called broad Haven that's it's a it's 1649 01:18:06,610 --> 01:18:05,120 2-2 words yeah and and what what was and 1650 01:18:08,350 --> 01:18:06,620 it was again it was just like the other 1651 01:18:11,410 --> 01:18:08,360 two incidents you just mentioned it 1652 01:18:14,260 --> 01:18:11,420 seems like historically there have been 1653 01:18:17,800 --> 01:18:14,270 cases that are involved groups of 1654 01:18:19,810 --> 01:18:17,810 schoolchildren who have some kind of an 1655 01:18:22,840 --> 01:18:19,820 encounter on the school grounds and 1656 01:18:25,210 --> 01:18:22,850 sometimes the the the school staff are 1657 01:18:27,930 --> 01:18:25,220 involved with this now and again there 1658 01:18:32,290 --> 01:18:27,940 haven't been cases or tales of abduction 1659 01:18:36,310 --> 01:18:32,300 but actual sightings and in the broad 1660 01:18:42,880 --> 01:18:36,320 Haven school the the the basic story was 1661 01:18:45,640 --> 01:18:42,890 that in a field near their playground 1662 01:18:48,930 --> 01:18:45,650 and and it was apparently one of just 1663 01:18:54,250 --> 01:18:48,940 the of many sightings in that area in 1664 01:18:57,360 --> 01:18:54,260 1977 and what a lot of the children did 1665 01:19:01,240 --> 01:18:57,370 which was great they almost immediately 1666 01:19:04,000 --> 01:19:01,250 after the the encounter they were asked 1667 01:19:05,470 --> 01:19:04,010 to to draw pictures and they did and 1668 01:19:08,560 --> 01:19:05,480 there there are some pictures that you 1669 01:19:10,720 --> 01:19:08,570 can see on the internet that show them 1670 01:19:13,720 --> 01:19:10,730 holding up their color pictures and 1671 01:19:15,640 --> 01:19:13,730 they're all remarkably similar showing 1672 01:19:17,580 --> 01:19:15,650 like a classic flying-saucer 1673 01:19:20,500 --> 01:19:17,590 what I wanted to see in North Carolina 1674 01:19:23,530 --> 01:19:20,510 yeah I just put that up on YouTube the 1675 01:19:26,110 --> 01:19:23,540 drawings oh oh good good yeah yeah it's 1676 01:19:29,590 --> 01:19:26,120 they're really very interesting stuff 1677 01:19:32,770 --> 01:19:29,600 and there's there's no you would think 1678 01:19:36,430 --> 01:19:32,780 there to be no real reason for children 1679 01:19:41,710 --> 01:19:36,440 to lie about something like that and and 1680 01:19:43,110 --> 01:19:41,720 we love these kinds of stories and there 1681 01:19:46,090 --> 01:19:43,120 was no evidence 1682 01:19:49,660 --> 01:19:46,100 supposedly the the local air force base 1683 01:19:55,180 --> 01:19:49,670 there said that they had no evidence of 1684 01:19:56,920 --> 01:19:55,190 an actual landing and some officer from 1685 01:19:59,350 --> 01:19:56,930 the local base said something there was 1686 01:20:02,620 --> 01:19:59,360 a quote in the BBC story where he said 1687 01:20:08,770 --> 01:20:02,630 if a UFO were to arrive at the air base 1688 01:20:11,860 --> 01:20:08,780 we would charge normal landing fees so 1689 01:20:14,260 --> 01:20:11,870 but yeah they're they're great pictures 1690 01:20:16,870 --> 01:20:14,270 from this particular story I only heard 1691 01:20:20,080 --> 01:20:16,880 about this story myself about a month 1692 01:20:21,160 --> 01:20:20,090 ago and and I know a lady who used to 1693 01:20:23,560 --> 01:20:21,170 work for the BBC 1694 01:20:25,390 --> 01:20:23,570 she lives in Wales and she's right now 1695 01:20:29,110 --> 01:20:25,400 looking into this to see if she can find 1696 01:20:31,540 --> 01:20:29,120 any of the original children who who 1697 01:20:34,840 --> 01:20:31,550 were still alive to maybe do some 1698 01:20:37,690 --> 01:20:34,850 interviews with them but well yeah it's 1699 01:20:40,630 --> 01:20:37,700 it's like this is just one of probably 1700 01:20:42,550 --> 01:20:40,640 many stories like that and and people 1701 01:20:45,010 --> 01:20:42,560 have asked me well do you think that the 1702 01:20:47,290 --> 01:20:45,020 visitors whoever those visitors are do 1703 01:20:49,660 --> 01:20:47,300 you think they feel more comfortable 1704 01:20:52,690 --> 01:20:49,670 with children because the children are 1705 01:20:56,830 --> 01:20:52,700 less aggressive than the adults on this 1706 01:21:00,220 --> 01:20:56,840 planet I don't know the one thing the 1707 01:21:02,560 --> 01:21:00,230 one thing that I do know for sure about 1708 01:21:05,080 --> 01:21:02,570 the visitors because I believe that 1709 01:21:07,600 --> 01:21:05,090 Earth is being visited but the one thing 1710 01:21:10,030 --> 01:21:07,610 that I know for sure about them is that 1711 01:21:13,450 --> 01:21:10,040 I know nothing about them no that's 1712 01:21:15,460 --> 01:21:13,460 perfect you know I really believe that 1713 01:21:18,250 --> 01:21:15,470 and you know Martin 1714 01:21:24,060 --> 01:21:18,260 I don't care where they come from I 1715 01:21:27,670 --> 01:21:24,070 don't even care what their agenda is 1716 01:21:32,280 --> 01:21:27,680 only because this is something that's 1717 01:21:35,170 --> 01:21:32,290 been going on a really long time and and 1718 01:21:37,060 --> 01:21:35,180 you know I again I there's another thing 1719 01:21:42,460 --> 01:21:37,070 that I like to talk about that many 1720 01:21:44,920 --> 01:21:42,470 people don't know about that in for this 1721 01:21:48,520 --> 01:21:44,930 twenty thirty year period in between the 1722 01:21:51,310 --> 01:21:48,530 40s and the end of 1969 I mentioned 1723 01:21:55,790 --> 01:21:51,320 before the Air Force had their their 1724 01:22:01,520 --> 01:21:55,800 Project Blue Book investigative study 1725 01:22:03,260 --> 01:22:01,530 and at the same time at now when they 1726 01:22:05,840 --> 01:22:03,270 closed the project Bluebook I should say 1727 01:22:09,560 --> 01:22:05,850 this for you listeners a project 1728 01:22:11,480 --> 01:22:09,570 Bluebook ended in 1969 and and the final 1729 01:22:13,700 --> 01:22:11,490 report to the public was the military 1730 01:22:16,160 --> 01:22:13,710 basically said in all the years that 1731 01:22:18,680 --> 01:22:16,170 we've been studying this thing we we 1732 01:22:21,620 --> 01:22:18,690 have we have not uncovered anything that 1733 01:22:25,730 --> 01:22:21,630 is of any scientific interest of any 1734 01:22:29,120 --> 01:22:25,740 sort whatsoever there doesn't seem to be 1735 01:22:33,170 --> 01:22:29,130 any national threat any any threat to 1736 01:22:34,880 --> 01:22:33,180 our national security and certainly 1737 01:22:37,730 --> 01:22:34,890 there's no evidence that Earth is being 1738 01:22:40,640 --> 01:22:37,740 visited by anybody from off the earth 1739 01:22:44,360 --> 01:22:40,650 you know and the story move along 1740 01:22:49,280 --> 01:22:44,370 nothing more to see here so that was 1741 01:22:54,800 --> 01:22:49,290 1969 but the thing is and and I hate it 1742 01:22:56,540 --> 01:22:54,810 when you uncover stuff like this that at 1743 01:22:59,780 --> 01:22:56,550 the Air Force Academy in Colorado 1744 01:23:02,600 --> 01:22:59,790 Springs the Air Force had a book a 1745 01:23:05,600 --> 01:23:02,610 textbook for its cadets called 1746 01:23:07,760 --> 01:23:05,610 introductory space science and it was 1747 01:23:09,680 --> 01:23:07,770 just that it was a science book that 1748 01:23:13,760 --> 01:23:09,690 only the cadets at the Air Force were 1749 01:23:16,370 --> 01:23:13,770 able to get chapter 33 of this book was 1750 01:23:19,250 --> 01:23:16,380 simply entitled unidentified flying 1751 01:23:23,510 --> 01:23:19,260 objects a pretty lengthy chapter in 1752 01:23:25,910 --> 01:23:23,520 which they outlined when I say they the 1753 01:23:31,270 --> 01:23:25,920 book and the chapter were written by Air 1754 01:23:34,150 --> 01:23:31,280 Force personnel they told the cadets 1755 01:23:36,680 --> 01:23:34,160 there are many UFO sightings 1756 01:23:38,780 --> 01:23:36,690 bang bang bang here are all the possible 1757 01:23:41,680 --> 01:23:38,790 explanations and they give a list of 1758 01:23:43,990 --> 01:23:41,690 about 10 or 11 or 12 different things 1759 01:23:47,510 --> 01:23:44,000 misidentifications of planets 1760 01:23:50,000 --> 01:23:47,520 misidentifications of of conventional 1761 01:23:51,590 --> 01:23:50,010 aircraft weather inversion or weather 1762 01:23:54,260 --> 01:23:51,600 phenomena 1763 01:23:55,790 --> 01:23:54,270 you know hallucinations bang bang bang 1764 01:23:57,230 --> 01:23:55,800 bang all the way down to the very bottom 1765 01:24:01,040 --> 01:23:57,240 of the list final thing that was listed 1766 01:24:03,500 --> 01:24:01,050 was aliens so they want they go through 1767 01:24:05,120 --> 01:24:03,510 all the lists each bullet point one by 1768 01:24:08,609 --> 01:24:05,130 one in which they explained to the 1769 01:24:10,550 --> 01:24:08,619 cadets what what these things meant and 1770 01:24:13,979 --> 01:24:10,560 the reasons why these could be easily 1771 01:24:18,180 --> 01:24:13,989 brushed aside for real things that are 1772 01:24:22,680 --> 01:24:18,190 unexplained and so then in the in in 1773 01:24:24,620 --> 01:24:22,690 this chapter it basically says we're 1774 01:24:28,800 --> 01:24:24,630 left with the unpleasant possibility 1775 01:24:30,330 --> 01:24:28,810 that Earth is being visited by someone 1776 01:24:35,250 --> 01:24:30,340 and I'm going to give you a quote right 1777 01:24:38,010 --> 01:24:35,260 now from that chapter the quote is the 1778 01:24:41,160 --> 01:24:38,020 most stimulating theory for us is that 1779 01:24:43,919 --> 01:24:41,170 the UFOs are material objects which are 1780 01:24:46,470 --> 01:24:43,929 either manned or remote-controlled by 1781 01:24:49,470 --> 01:24:46,480 beings who are alien to this planet 1782 01:24:52,740 --> 01:24:49,480 there is some evidence supporting this 1783 01:24:56,160 --> 01:24:52,750 viewpoint what questionable data there 1784 01:25:00,180 --> 01:24:56,170 are suggests the existence of at least 1785 01:25:03,300 --> 01:25:00,190 three and maybe four different groups of 1786 01:25:04,290 --> 01:25:03,310 aliens possibly at different stages of 1787 01:25:07,560 --> 01:25:04,300 development 1788 01:25:10,320 --> 01:25:07,570 end quote that that's from the official 1789 01:25:12,720 --> 01:25:10,330 Air Force textbook that they were 1790 01:25:14,189 --> 01:25:12,730 telling their cadets I mean you never 1791 01:25:16,580 --> 01:25:14,199 heard that you never heard them tell 1792 01:25:19,979 --> 01:25:16,590 that to the public or the New York Times 1793 01:25:23,310 --> 01:25:19,989 okay so that that's the kind of thing 1794 01:25:27,600 --> 01:25:23,320 and and and then again that was from 1795 01:25:32,669 --> 01:25:27,610 1968 and a year later Project Blue Book 1796 01:25:35,070 --> 01:25:32,679 ended now when I and how do I even know 1797 01:25:37,939 --> 01:25:35,080 this how did I get this chapter you 1798 01:25:45,229 --> 01:25:37,949 asked how did you get that chapter oh 1799 01:25:48,570 --> 01:25:45,239 well I'm glad you asked in in early 1978 1800 01:25:50,790 --> 01:25:48,580 when I was starting to put together 1801 01:25:53,879 --> 01:25:50,800 materials for the United Nations 1802 01:25:58,560 --> 01:25:53,889 presentation I wanted to gather as many 1803 01:26:00,600 --> 01:25:58,570 interesting documents images film clips 1804 01:26:03,979 --> 01:26:00,610 whatever we could that we could that we 1805 01:26:07,379 --> 01:26:03,989 could duplicate and give to every nation 1806 01:26:13,050 --> 01:26:07,389 there at the UN and I'm one of my trips 1807 01:26:13,859 --> 01:26:13,060 to to visit dr. Hynek in Illinois we 1808 01:26:15,959 --> 01:26:13,869 were in his office 1809 01:26:17,820 --> 01:26:15,969 and and I said I said look you know Alan 1810 01:26:20,040 --> 01:26:17,830 brewer we're putting in some nice things 1811 01:26:21,410 --> 01:26:20,050 together here for this documents package 1812 01:26:25,700 --> 01:26:21,420 but you know 1813 01:26:29,390 --> 01:26:25,710 I'm missing something we need something 1814 01:26:33,110 --> 01:26:29,400 that I would consider to be a smoking 1815 01:26:37,990 --> 01:26:33,120 gun and he said well what exactly do you 1816 01:26:40,610 --> 01:26:38,000 mean smoking gun that's it well you know 1817 01:26:42,800 --> 01:26:40,620 forget the obvious you know a finger 1818 01:26:45,530 --> 01:26:42,810 from an alien a piece of the propulsion 1819 01:26:49,610 --> 01:26:45,540 system you know an antenna from the top 1820 01:26:52,490 --> 01:26:49,620 of the dome and you know okay I know I'm 1821 01:26:56,120 --> 01:26:52,500 not gonna get that but but just 1822 01:26:59,479 --> 01:26:56,130 something something that will be hard to 1823 01:27:02,660 --> 01:26:59,489 refute because of where it came from and 1824 01:27:05,300 --> 01:27:02,670 who gave us to us he walked over to his 1825 01:27:07,790 --> 01:27:05,310 filing cabinet opens it up pulled out a 1826 01:27:11,270 --> 01:27:07,800 manila envelope and as he handed it to 1827 01:27:14,300 --> 01:27:11,280 me he said I don't know if you would 1828 01:27:17,030 --> 01:27:14,310 think that this is a smoking gun but but 1829 01:27:21,110 --> 01:27:17,040 take a look at this and if you want I 1830 01:27:23,240 --> 01:27:21,120 will I will let you make the copies and 1831 01:27:25,430 --> 01:27:23,250 we'll give it out at the United Nations 1832 01:27:28,580 --> 01:27:25,440 so I pulls out I pull out this chapter 1833 01:27:32,120 --> 01:27:28,590 that I just quoted you from I are you 1834 01:27:34,550 --> 01:27:32,130 kidding me like what they said what I 1835 01:27:36,979 --> 01:27:34,560 mean at one point in the chapter Martin 1836 01:27:40,430 --> 01:27:36,989 they actually tell the cadets from 1837 01:27:44,360 --> 01:27:40,440 available evidence we now know that UFOs 1838 01:27:46,970 --> 01:27:44,370 have been around and in some cases 1839 01:27:50,090 --> 01:27:46,980 interacting with humans for upwards of 1840 01:27:53,150 --> 01:27:50,100 50,000 years and here are some examples 1841 01:27:56,900 --> 01:27:53,160 and they give examples from ancient from 1842 01:27:58,370 --> 01:27:56,910 ancient texts I'm reading this thing I'm 1843 01:28:01,939 --> 01:27:58,380 reading this something like Allen are 1844 01:28:05,689 --> 01:28:01,949 you kidding me I was using harsher 1845 01:28:08,090 --> 01:28:05,699 language at that point but I said are 1846 01:28:10,669 --> 01:28:08,100 you kidding that that this is what they 1847 01:28:13,100 --> 01:28:10,679 were telling the cadets are you sure 1848 01:28:17,270 --> 01:28:13,110 that we can use this at the UN I said I 1849 01:28:18,590 --> 01:28:17,280 said where did you get this it's it he 1850 01:28:21,080 --> 01:28:18,600 was always like this he was very subtle 1851 01:28:23,260 --> 01:28:21,090 he said you don't need to know that but 1852 01:28:26,540 --> 01:28:23,270 yes go ahead and give it out at the UN 1853 01:28:29,630 --> 01:28:26,550 hmm and I made like a gazillion copies 1854 01:28:32,660 --> 01:28:29,640 of this thing and and you know and this 1855 01:28:34,790 --> 01:28:32,670 was 1978 that he gave me this to mean 1856 01:28:35,240 --> 01:28:34,800 that we did it at the UN and we pass it 1857 01:28:37,610 --> 01:28:35,250 around 1858 01:28:41,810 --> 01:28:37,620 give it to the media at the press 1859 01:28:44,870 --> 01:28:41,820 conference there and you know not long 1860 01:28:46,310 --> 01:28:44,880 after that within a couple of years I 1861 01:28:48,470 --> 01:28:46,320 don't know the exact date but suddenly 1862 01:28:52,850 --> 01:28:48,480 we had this thing called the internet 1863 01:28:55,340 --> 01:28:52,860 that became our reality and now people 1864 01:28:58,010 --> 01:28:55,350 can go and they can find this chapter 1865 01:29:01,330 --> 01:28:58,020 and they could look at it and and read 1866 01:29:05,270 --> 01:29:01,340 to their heart's content and and and yet 1867 01:29:12,610 --> 01:29:05,280 you know it doesn't seem like in the end 1868 01:29:16,330 --> 01:29:12,620 nobody cares is that strange yes it is I 1869 01:29:20,750 --> 01:29:16,340 I it's part of my frustration here in 1870 01:29:23,860 --> 01:29:20,760 2017 that there is all this stuff that's 1871 01:29:27,080 --> 01:29:23,870 available out there and and people 1872 01:29:28,670 --> 01:29:27,090 people are very quick to make 1873 01:29:29,810 --> 01:29:28,680 pronouncements about things that they 1874 01:29:33,170 --> 01:29:29,820 know nothing about 1875 01:29:34,670 --> 01:29:33,180 oh well that case was was crap because I 1876 01:29:36,320 --> 01:29:34,680 just say it is and I don't think that 1877 01:29:38,240 --> 01:29:36,330 that could have happened so it must be 1878 01:29:41,630 --> 01:29:38,250 crap just you can depend on my 1879 01:29:45,170 --> 01:29:41,640 credentials and no I'm not going to just 1880 01:29:50,660 --> 01:29:45,180 depend on your credentials I I say to 1881 01:29:53,240 --> 01:29:50,670 people if if you have spent a lot of 1882 01:29:56,720 --> 01:29:53,250 legwork and done the proper amount of 1883 01:29:59,630 --> 01:29:56,730 research and and gone up there and make 1884 01:30:01,580 --> 01:29:59,640 telephone calls done interviews gone to 1885 01:30:03,860 --> 01:30:01,590 places like the new year or the National 1886 01:30:07,160 --> 01:30:03,870 Archives if you've really done some 1887 01:30:10,910 --> 01:30:07,170 digging where you can finally come up 1888 01:30:13,610 --> 01:30:10,920 with an informed actual informed opinion 1889 01:30:15,770 --> 01:30:13,620 then I will say yeah I don't mind 1890 01:30:17,510 --> 01:30:15,780 listening to you but if you haven't done 1891 01:30:20,660 --> 01:30:17,520 this kind of legwork that I'm talking 1892 01:30:23,630 --> 01:30:20,670 about then my friend you don't have a 1893 01:30:27,380 --> 01:30:23,640 valid opinion and I'm asking you not to 1894 01:30:29,450 --> 01:30:27,390 foist your invalid opinion on this 1895 01:30:31,730 --> 01:30:29,460 entire listening audience because it's 1896 01:30:34,690 --> 01:30:31,740 not right that you do that and I don't 1897 01:30:39,020 --> 01:30:34,700 have a problem telling that to anybody 1898 01:30:41,210 --> 01:30:39,030 just because I feel comfortable talking 1899 01:30:43,580 --> 01:30:41,220 about the things that I do because I 1900 01:30:45,140 --> 01:30:43,590 believe I have an informed opinion 1901 01:30:46,400 --> 01:30:45,150 because I've been looking at this stuff 1902 01:30:49,069 --> 01:30:46,410 for 42 years 1903 01:30:50,959 --> 01:30:49,079 right and you know 1904 01:30:54,709 --> 01:30:50,969 I said speaking of that would you like 1905 01:30:58,250 --> 01:30:54,719 to take calls but sure you what you have 1906 01:31:01,040 --> 01:30:58,260 telephone calls well I do have that if 1907 01:31:03,379 --> 01:31:01,050 anyone wants to call in yes if anyone 1908 01:31:06,349 --> 01:31:03,389 does want to call in this listening live 1909 01:31:10,040 --> 01:31:06,359 that phone number is six oh three nine 1910 01:31:12,649 --> 01:31:10,050 six seven four OH three oh I'll put that 1911 01:31:13,699 --> 01:31:12,659 in the chat room as well Wow well you 1912 01:31:15,319 --> 01:31:13,709 know you know it's great about that 1913 01:31:20,229 --> 01:31:15,329 phone because I grew up in New Hampshire 1914 01:31:23,179 --> 01:31:20,239 that's right New Hampshire no 603 Wow 1915 01:31:25,520 --> 01:31:23,189 but you've got a 603 number but you live 1916 01:31:28,339 --> 01:31:25,530 in Maine how does that work 1917 01:31:30,349 --> 01:31:28,349 hi that's another conversation yeah it 1918 01:31:32,959 --> 01:31:30,359 was just a Skype number available I 1919 01:31:35,359 --> 01:31:32,969 don't know okay I was thinking of moving 1920 01:31:37,489 --> 01:31:35,369 to New Hampshire Portsmouth New 1921 01:31:40,879 --> 01:31:37,499 Hampshire one time or something yeah but 1922 01:31:45,319 --> 01:31:40,889 anyway yeah yeah yeah well you know I I 1923 01:31:50,929 --> 01:31:45,329 went to college in Plymouth New 1924 01:31:53,989 --> 01:31:50,939 Hampshire just a few miles south of the 1925 01:31:57,229 --> 01:31:53,999 abduction field of the Betty and Barney 1926 01:31:59,689 --> 01:31:57,239 UFO encounter from 1961 that's a 1927 01:32:02,750 --> 01:31:59,699 beautiful beautiful area in a really 1928 01:32:04,219 --> 01:32:02,760 good college actually yeah you know when 1929 01:32:06,889 --> 01:32:04,229 I was there it was Plymouth State 1930 01:32:10,689 --> 01:32:06,899 College it was part of the the the three 1931 01:32:13,939 --> 01:32:10,699 college university system and but but 1932 01:32:16,399 --> 01:32:13,949 since I left it's now coming into its 1933 01:32:18,079 --> 01:32:16,409 own and it's called Plymouth State no I 1934 01:32:19,909 --> 01:32:18,089 don't even think it's Plymouth State I 1935 01:32:21,770 --> 01:32:19,919 just think it's Plymouth University or 1936 01:32:24,649 --> 01:32:21,780 or it could be Plymouth State University 1937 01:32:29,089 --> 01:32:24,659 now but it is its own University I know 1938 01:32:30,560 --> 01:32:29,099 that yeah right right so can you talk up 1939 01:32:32,869 --> 01:32:30,570 a little bit oh we have a call coming in 1940 01:32:35,060 --> 01:32:32,879 why don't we go ahead and answer let's 1941 01:32:36,879 --> 01:32:35,070 do it it might be some you never know 1942 01:32:39,439 --> 01:32:36,889 what's gonna happen 1943 01:32:41,299 --> 01:32:39,449 hello as long as it as long as they're 1944 01:32:43,069 --> 01:32:41,309 not calling to throw Rotten Tomatoes at 1945 01:32:45,889 --> 01:32:43,079 me yeah that's do it hello caller 1946 01:32:46,639 --> 01:32:45,899 make sure your volume is down on your on 1947 01:32:48,649 --> 01:32:46,649 your computer 1948 01:32:53,209 --> 01:32:48,659 welcome to the show your first name and 1949 01:32:58,759 --> 01:32:53,219 where are you calling from oh hey Bobby 1950 01:33:01,500 --> 01:32:58,769 how are you hi Bobby good nato's are one 1951 01:33:02,910 --> 01:33:01,510 of the sheriff well you 1952 01:33:07,680 --> 01:33:02,920 you can throw them at they'll never 1953 01:33:08,700 --> 01:33:07,690 reach me yeah oh this could ask what do 1954 01:33:12,450 --> 01:33:08,710 you think about all the Mothman 1955 01:33:14,460 --> 01:33:12,460 sightings in Chicago you know I I 1956 01:33:16,710 --> 01:33:14,470 actually haven't I know that wasn't it 1957 01:33:22,010 --> 01:33:16,720 John keel who did most of the writing 1958 01:33:24,660 --> 01:33:22,020 about Mothman I to go and if I recall 1959 01:33:27,810 --> 01:33:24,670 weren't the initial alleged sightings 1960 01:33:32,580 --> 01:33:27,820 more like in Pennsylvania if I'm not 1961 01:33:34,650 --> 01:33:32,590 mistaken oh yeah this year Ramones 1962 01:33:37,620 --> 01:33:34,660 beginning early in the year this year 1963 01:33:40,440 --> 01:33:37,630 there's been several I think it's up to 1964 01:33:45,000 --> 01:33:40,450 like in the 30s of multiple witness 1965 01:33:48,240 --> 01:33:45,010 Mothman sightings in Chicago and some of 1966 01:33:50,250 --> 01:33:48,250 them were like police officers that are 1967 01:33:52,500 --> 01:33:50,260 like you know credible credible 1968 01:33:54,540 --> 01:33:52,510 witnesses and what they're saying is 1969 01:33:57,210 --> 01:33:54,550 it's you know like a Mothman description 1970 01:33:59,190 --> 01:33:57,220 glowing eyes a thin guy with bat-like 1971 01:34:00,840 --> 01:33:59,200 wings that like will shoot up in the air 1972 01:34:03,120 --> 01:34:00,850 and fly around and I mean it's just 1973 01:34:03,450 --> 01:34:03,130 bizarre let me let me let me ask you 1974 01:34:06,480 --> 01:34:03,460 this 1975 01:34:12,060 --> 01:34:06,490 now when you say in Chicago are you 1976 01:34:15,180 --> 01:34:12,070 talking within the city limits oh hey 1977 01:34:16,770 --> 01:34:15,190 I'm gonna have actually Sam moranto 1978 01:34:18,930 --> 01:34:16,780 who's been on the show many times is 1979 01:34:21,630 --> 01:34:18,940 actually investigating that I know he's 1980 01:34:23,130 --> 01:34:21,640 a UFO researcher but he's investigating 1981 01:34:26,760 --> 01:34:23,140 that he's going to be on the show sooner 1982 01:34:29,370 --> 01:34:26,770 or later Bobby so do you have any other 1983 01:34:34,290 --> 01:34:29,380 like questions for Li like anything 1984 01:34:37,950 --> 01:34:34,300 ufo-related her along those lines on 1985 01:34:39,360 --> 01:34:37,960 your show and also on open minds I love 1986 01:34:41,700 --> 01:34:39,370 every time I get to listen to him 1987 01:34:44,010 --> 01:34:41,710 because he's brilliant and he was there 1988 01:34:46,470 --> 01:34:44,020 from the beginning and he's a 1989 01:34:49,080 --> 01:34:46,480 knowledgeable guy well thank you writer 1990 01:34:52,440 --> 01:34:49,090 your blog writing is fantastic 1991 01:34:54,060 --> 01:34:52,450 I appreciate that thank you so much yeah 1992 01:34:55,350 --> 01:34:54,070 one thing I wanted to add I don't know 1993 01:34:58,710 --> 01:34:55,360 if you guys of cardio's in the news 1994 01:35:00,330 --> 01:34:58,720 today X was on Twitter but the couple 1995 01:35:02,160 --> 01:35:00,340 scientists have come out and it was in 1996 01:35:04,920 --> 01:35:02,170 the National Geographic I believe and 1997 01:35:08,220 --> 01:35:04,930 they actually found fossilized treaties 1998 01:35:11,580 --> 01:35:08,230 and Antarctica ha hadn't seen that one 1999 01:35:15,930 --> 01:35:11,590 yet Wow Twitter's where you get the 2000 01:35:18,120 --> 01:35:15,940 first news first I guess ok I heard hey 2001 01:35:20,270 --> 01:35:18,130 Bobby thanks to the call Thank You Bobby 2002 01:35:23,430 --> 01:35:20,280 good night good night all right 2003 01:35:25,290 --> 01:35:23,440 Antarctica huh yeah well you know that 2004 01:35:27,330 --> 01:35:25,300 could be there could be many reasons for 2005 01:35:30,660 --> 01:35:27,340 that could it could have been a pole 2006 01:35:33,840 --> 01:35:30,670 shift or could you know the tectonic 2007 01:35:35,310 --> 01:35:33,850 plates that move you know it could have 2008 01:35:38,610 --> 01:35:35,320 been you know something along those 2009 01:35:42,030 --> 01:35:38,620 lines well you know and then you'll get 2010 01:35:46,320 --> 01:35:42,040 some people who are very into the old 2011 01:35:51,240 --> 01:35:46,330 Hollow Earth theory as if I I follow and 2012 01:35:55,230 --> 01:35:51,250 flat no well I think it would be more 2013 01:35:57,030 --> 01:35:55,240 likely to be Hollow than flat but no I 2014 01:35:59,670 --> 01:35:57,040 and I used to be when I was younger I 2015 01:36:03,000 --> 01:35:59,680 was actually obsessed with the Hollow 2016 01:36:05,760 --> 01:36:03,010 Earth theory and reading stories about 2017 01:36:08,370 --> 01:36:05,770 how their inner streams of fresh water 2018 01:36:13,260 --> 01:36:08,380 that was they were coming out of ancient 2019 01:36:16,440 --> 01:36:13,270 caves where there was a brilliant Sun 2020 01:36:18,390 --> 01:36:16,450 like object deep down in the center of 2021 01:36:21,570 --> 01:36:18,400 the earth and that's what was providing 2022 01:36:25,920 --> 01:36:21,580 the warmth for the inner inhabitants who 2023 01:36:28,980 --> 01:36:25,930 fly around in disc shaped objects I I 2024 01:36:31,620 --> 01:36:28,990 mean I was like totally captivated by 2025 01:36:34,320 --> 01:36:31,630 this so if there if there are fossilized 2026 01:36:36,750 --> 01:36:34,330 trees maybe some of them came from 2027 01:36:38,940 --> 01:36:36,760 Antarctica from the Hollow Earth 2028 01:36:42,090 --> 01:36:38,950 oh boy now I'm in now I'm in trouble 2029 01:36:43,740 --> 01:36:42,100 right I think now no one's gonna believe 2030 01:36:46,560 --> 01:36:43,750 anything you said the previous hour and 2031 01:36:48,840 --> 01:36:46,570 a half I'm thinking earlier today I 2032 01:36:50,490 --> 01:36:48,850 thought what could I say on Martin show 2033 01:36:57,780 --> 01:36:50,500 tonight that will take away my 2034 01:36:59,240 --> 01:36:57,790 credibility I was in when I was in 2035 01:37:01,470 --> 01:36:59,250 Phoenix when you were out there actually 2036 01:37:03,120 --> 01:37:01,480 yeah I don't know if you were in the 2037 01:37:06,060 --> 01:37:03,130 room with me or not but Marc Dantonio 2038 01:37:08,670 --> 01:37:06,070 was on a radio show while he was in the 2039 01:37:13,470 --> 01:37:08,680 room and arguing with someone about the 2040 01:37:15,240 --> 01:37:13,480 the Flat Earth which is another 100 I 2041 01:37:17,220 --> 01:37:15,250 was in the room because I think I was in 2042 01:37:19,200 --> 01:37:17,230 there on your show when Stan Friedman 2043 01:37:20,850 --> 01:37:19,210 and Kathy Martin were there too yeah 2044 01:37:22,440 --> 01:37:20,860 yeah and but this yeah this is a 2045 01:37:25,500 --> 01:37:22,450 different a different time he was on 2046 01:37:26,310 --> 01:37:25,510 another oh oh okay I'm sorry yeah I like 2047 01:37:29,370 --> 01:37:26,320 Mark Dantonio 2048 01:37:32,640 --> 01:37:29,380 he's uh yeah he's uh he's really great 2049 01:37:36,030 --> 01:37:32,650 he's a great scientist and and he really 2050 01:37:39,270 --> 01:37:36,040 really wants terribly wants to come up 2051 01:37:42,570 --> 01:37:39,280 with big evidence about visitation to 2052 01:37:46,230 --> 01:37:42,580 earth but he's so good at coming up with 2053 01:37:51,030 --> 01:37:46,240 logical reasons for things and and it is 2054 01:37:53,100 --> 01:37:51,040 great I know it it's it's it's and and 2055 01:37:55,980 --> 01:37:53,110 he's really sharp because you know just 2056 01:37:58,920 --> 01:37:55,990 the for instance I I took a picture out 2057 01:38:05,670 --> 01:37:58,930 of my out my window driving to Arizona 2058 01:38:07,650 --> 01:38:05,680 or Natalia did riding with me and there 2059 01:38:11,670 --> 01:38:07,660 was definitely a disc like flying across 2060 01:38:12,810 --> 01:38:11,680 the sky and ends up you know I showed it 2061 01:38:14,160 --> 01:38:12,820 to him and he goes I think there's 2062 01:38:15,330 --> 01:38:14,170 something on your window so I went out 2063 01:38:16,950 --> 01:38:15,340 to my car and I looked and sure enough 2064 01:38:20,880 --> 01:38:16,960 there was a little piece of grass on my 2065 01:38:24,510 --> 01:38:20,890 window Oh No just like oh like like a 2066 01:38:28,290 --> 01:38:24,520 disc did you melt into a puddle of just 2067 01:38:28,980 --> 01:38:28,300 a Lulu liquify I mean I know I I hate it 2068 01:38:32,190 --> 01:38:28,990 when that happens 2069 01:38:34,050 --> 01:38:32,200 but you know I'm the last person who 2070 01:38:37,050 --> 01:38:34,060 will be in denial if I'm wrong about 2071 01:38:40,080 --> 01:38:37,060 something you know I I would rather 2072 01:38:42,720 --> 01:38:40,090 somebody prove to me that I'm wrong and 2073 01:38:45,420 --> 01:38:42,730 then I don't have my facts straight and 2074 01:38:47,700 --> 01:38:45,430 I'll I'll correct it I'll apologize and 2075 01:38:50,400 --> 01:38:47,710 then move on that's all now someone just 2076 01:38:54,170 --> 01:38:50,410 looked up on the chat room Lee Spiegel 2077 01:38:56,220 --> 01:38:54,180 UFO special the credibility factor 1975 2078 01:38:58,700 --> 01:38:56,230 yeah that's what that was the name of my 2079 01:39:02,100 --> 01:38:58,710 record album ah okay I see 2080 01:39:08,090 --> 01:39:02,110 thank you all for noticing that UFOs the 2081 01:39:11,130 --> 01:39:08,100 credibility factor yeah yeah so this 2082 01:39:13,140 --> 01:39:11,140 this movie that you're putting helping 2083 01:39:15,420 --> 01:39:13,150 James Fox with you're actually a 2084 01:39:17,610 --> 01:39:15,430 co-producer yes yeah 2085 01:39:20,100 --> 01:39:17,620 yes I am yeah which is very exciting I 2086 01:39:23,330 --> 01:39:20,110 know a lot of people have wondered what 2087 01:39:25,680 --> 01:39:23,340 happened to seven the title seven oh one 2088 01:39:27,270 --> 01:39:25,690 something's changed 2089 01:39:29,730 --> 01:39:27,280 it's going to end up being even a better 2090 01:39:31,710 --> 01:39:29,740 movie I mean originally it started out 2091 01:39:35,330 --> 01:39:31,720 that it was going to be talking a lot 2092 01:39:37,860 --> 01:39:35,340 about the 701 or so cases that were 2093 01:39:39,110 --> 01:39:37,870 unexplained in the Blue Book Project 2094 01:39:40,700 --> 01:39:39,120 Blue Book that 2095 01:39:44,270 --> 01:39:40,710 sort of changed now a little bit hasn't 2096 01:39:46,640 --> 01:39:44,280 it well the the original idea was when 2097 01:39:51,680 --> 01:39:46,650 the Air Force ended Project Blue Book in 2098 01:39:54,460 --> 01:39:51,690 1969 they had amassed almost 13,000 2099 01:39:57,140 --> 01:39:54,470 cases that they had supposedly 2100 01:39:59,720 --> 01:39:57,150 investigated and according to their 2101 01:40:03,590 --> 01:39:59,730 conclusions on these cases there were 2102 01:40:07,160 --> 01:40:03,600 701 that according to them they had no 2103 01:40:08,270 --> 01:40:07,170 explanation for no clue we admitted we 2104 01:40:10,610 --> 01:40:08,280 don't know what this is about 2105 01:40:14,240 --> 01:40:10,620 but please folks don't worry about it 2106 01:40:16,940 --> 01:40:14,250 we're keeping you safe in this guys yeah 2107 01:40:19,610 --> 01:40:16,950 and and so that's 701 is just kind of 2108 01:40:24,320 --> 01:40:19,620 lingered and and the several years ago 2109 01:40:28,510 --> 01:40:24,330 James was working with some people who 2110 01:40:32,150 --> 01:40:28,520 wanted to create a film based on those 2111 01:40:34,730 --> 01:40:32,160 701 because James and I feel the same 2112 01:40:38,060 --> 01:40:34,740 way about this of all the the cases that 2113 01:40:41,960 --> 01:40:38,070 Bluebook investigated he and I don't 2114 01:40:45,800 --> 01:40:41,970 care at all about anything beyond the 2115 01:40:48,350 --> 01:40:45,810 701 cases if it's easily explained push 2116 01:40:50,540 --> 01:40:48,360 it aside don't care let's move on to 2117 01:40:54,800 --> 01:40:50,550 only the ones that have stuff about them 2118 01:40:58,940 --> 01:40:54,810 that should be investigated and so they 2119 01:41:02,750 --> 01:40:58,950 started working on the 701 but things 2120 01:41:05,510 --> 01:41:02,760 just didn't work out completely for all 2121 01:41:07,810 --> 01:41:05,520 the parties involved and without me 2122 01:41:10,610 --> 01:41:07,820 getting into too many like 2123 01:41:13,580 --> 01:41:10,620 behind-the-scenes details about that it 2124 01:41:15,620 --> 01:41:13,590 didn't work and and the people that were 2125 01:41:18,890 --> 01:41:15,630 trying to pull all this stuff together 2126 01:41:22,490 --> 01:41:18,900 they went their separate ways and and I 2127 01:41:24,800 --> 01:41:22,500 know that that it was frustrating for 2128 01:41:28,430 --> 01:41:24,810 James because he had put these other two 2129 01:41:32,510 --> 01:41:28,440 amazing films together about UFOs and he 2130 01:41:35,500 --> 01:41:32,520 he just it wasn't enough it was like 2131 01:41:37,790 --> 01:41:35,510 when I was done with my album in 1975 my 2132 01:41:39,950 --> 01:41:37,800 attitude was alright well this is nice 2133 01:41:42,980 --> 01:41:39,960 but it's not enough and it was that 2134 01:41:45,770 --> 01:41:42,990 attitude that propelled me into doing 2135 01:41:48,440 --> 01:41:45,780 something at the United Nations when you 2136 01:41:50,420 --> 01:41:48,450 get a taste of something like that to do 2137 01:41:52,939 --> 01:41:50,430 something that might have an impact on 2138 01:41:55,640 --> 01:41:52,949 what people will think about stuff 2139 01:41:58,339 --> 01:41:55,650 that can be very powerful and so James 2140 01:42:01,609 --> 01:41:58,349 and I have talked for a few years about 2141 01:42:04,580 --> 01:42:01,619 trying to do something together and this 2142 01:42:07,069 --> 01:42:04,590 thing came along and he asked me if I 2143 01:42:10,520 --> 01:42:07,079 would be available to work with him on 2144 01:42:13,009 --> 01:42:10,530 his third UFO film and I said yes 2145 01:42:15,649 --> 01:42:13,019 absolutely and the reason I said yes is 2146 01:42:19,250 --> 01:42:15,659 because I completely trust him he has 2147 01:42:22,009 --> 01:42:19,260 total integrity he's credible we work 2148 01:42:25,850 --> 01:42:22,019 well together we have the same attitude 2149 01:42:28,669 --> 01:42:25,860 about UFOs so we're not out there trying 2150 01:42:32,560 --> 01:42:28,679 to make stuff up because you don't have 2151 01:42:36,850 --> 01:42:32,570 to you don't have to over embellish 2152 01:42:41,689 --> 01:42:36,860 anything about UFOs that the truly 2153 01:42:44,359 --> 01:42:41,699 unexplained cases are are so incredible 2154 01:42:46,879 --> 01:42:44,369 all by themselves you don't have to add 2155 01:42:47,270 --> 01:42:46,889 to them just just just go with what 2156 01:42:50,330 --> 01:42:47,280 you've got 2157 01:42:54,560 --> 01:42:50,340 mm-hmm and that that's where I stand and 2158 01:42:59,509 --> 01:42:54,570 I'm loving working with James we're 2159 01:43:01,520 --> 01:42:59,519 having a great time and and it's amazing 2160 01:43:04,520 --> 01:43:01,530 he's introduced me to some some really 2161 01:43:06,229 --> 01:43:04,530 very incredible creative people and I 2162 01:43:10,100 --> 01:43:06,239 might not have met these folks if it 2163 01:43:13,250 --> 01:43:10,110 wasn't for him so so yeah we're and and 2164 01:43:15,680 --> 01:43:13,260 we're going to do something that that 2165 01:43:18,229 --> 01:43:15,690 hasn't been talked much about and I 2166 01:43:21,319 --> 01:43:18,239 won't get into it too much but but a lot 2167 01:43:24,259 --> 01:43:21,329 of people have been wondering over the 2168 01:43:26,660 --> 01:43:24,269 last few years like what ever happened 2169 01:43:29,449 --> 01:43:26,670 with this thing in the 1990s called the 2170 01:43:31,640 --> 01:43:29,459 the Rockefeller initiative that involved 2171 01:43:36,199 --> 01:43:31,650 the late philanthropist Laurance 2172 01:43:39,080 --> 01:43:36,209 Rockefeller who who actually paid a lot 2173 01:43:41,870 --> 01:43:39,090 of money to to people to come up with 2174 01:43:47,000 --> 01:43:41,880 what was called a an unidentified flying 2175 01:43:49,609 --> 01:43:47,010 object briefing document and its purpose 2176 01:43:52,339 --> 01:43:49,619 was not only to give it to the to the 2177 01:43:55,489 --> 01:43:52,349 Bill Clinton and his administration but 2178 01:43:57,319 --> 01:43:55,499 to try and get this thing out there so 2179 01:43:59,299 --> 01:43:57,329 the people around the world leaders 2180 01:44:03,620 --> 01:43:59,309 around the world could see that there 2181 01:44:06,209 --> 01:44:03,630 really is something going on around our 2182 01:44:09,589 --> 01:44:06,219 planet that really could 2183 01:44:13,259 --> 01:44:09,599 amazing implications too to humans and 2184 01:44:17,040 --> 01:44:13,269 and and when Laurance Rockefeller passed 2185 01:44:18,810 --> 01:44:17,050 on his his kind of initiative did as 2186 01:44:21,299 --> 01:44:18,820 well and there's a lot of stuff that's 2187 01:44:23,879 --> 01:44:21,309 been out there about it that's just been 2188 01:44:25,799 --> 01:44:23,889 dangling and so we're going to be 2189 01:44:28,319 --> 01:44:25,809 mentioning the the Rockefeller 2190 01:44:30,149 --> 01:44:28,329 initiative in in our story because it 2191 01:44:33,810 --> 01:44:30,159 has to be it's something it was an 2192 01:44:36,120 --> 01:44:33,820 important document that came out and we 2193 01:44:38,219 --> 01:44:36,130 think more people the public should know 2194 01:44:42,810 --> 01:44:38,229 about this document that this man 2195 01:44:44,879 --> 01:44:42,820 created and gave to the Clintons so that 2196 01:44:48,060 --> 01:44:44,889 that's exciting for us to bring that to 2197 01:44:51,060 --> 01:44:48,070 to people's attention and what are some 2198 01:44:53,660 --> 01:44:51,070 other cases that you're you're covering 2199 01:44:57,209 --> 01:44:53,670 that's gonna be covered in this movie 2200 01:45:00,629 --> 01:44:57,219 well I I will I will tell you this this 2201 01:45:04,109 --> 01:45:00,639 movie is going to open in a really 2202 01:45:05,759 --> 01:45:04,119 dramatic way yeah and I I'm I'm very 2203 01:45:09,450 --> 01:45:05,769 excited about it I don't want to give 2204 01:45:12,629 --> 01:45:09,460 any of this away but no I don't think 2205 01:45:15,390 --> 01:45:12,639 any of the UFO documentary has done this 2206 01:45:18,779 --> 01:45:15,400 before and and we are going to do it and 2207 01:45:20,700 --> 01:45:18,789 and people are going to go wow this 2208 01:45:26,870 --> 01:45:20,710 thing really happened how did you guys 2209 01:45:31,770 --> 01:45:26,880 film this I mean and and it involves 2210 01:45:37,290 --> 01:45:31,780 military people who were involved with 2211 01:45:43,169 --> 01:45:37,300 an incredible pursuit of a flying saucer 2212 01:45:44,879 --> 01:45:43,179 that was just unbelievable and that's 2213 01:45:48,029 --> 01:45:44,889 really all that I should say about it 2214 01:45:51,180 --> 01:45:48,039 now but it was it all happened it really 2215 01:45:55,469 --> 01:45:51,190 did happen the crew of this particular 2216 01:45:57,719 --> 01:45:55,479 aircraft all filled out independent 2217 01:45:59,700 --> 01:45:57,729 reports of what they saw they they're 2218 01:46:03,029 --> 01:45:59,710 all matched the reports were sent to 2219 01:46:07,229 --> 01:46:03,039 Project Blue Book never to be seen again 2220 01:46:09,870 --> 01:46:07,239 never to be seen again never to be seen 2221 01:46:14,040 --> 01:46:09,880 in other words if you were to get all 2222 01:46:15,919 --> 01:46:14,050 the details about this case and to try 2223 01:46:19,439 --> 01:46:15,929 and go into the Project Blue Book files 2224 01:46:20,170 --> 01:46:19,449 even with the exact date and time and 2225 01:46:23,290 --> 01:46:20,180 place 2226 01:46:25,840 --> 01:46:23,300 and circumstances you wouldn't find it 2227 01:46:30,490 --> 01:46:25,850 anywhere in project Bluebook it's gone 2228 01:46:34,200 --> 01:46:30,500 Wow God now now as as this documentary 2229 01:46:36,850 --> 01:46:34,210 going to have a lot of remakes of of 2230 01:46:40,120 --> 01:46:36,860 situations in in them like you're 2231 01:46:42,670 --> 01:46:40,130 talking about where we're going to what 2232 01:46:46,510 --> 01:46:42,680 we're trying to do is it's difficult as 2233 01:46:50,950 --> 01:46:46,520 you can imagine to do a program and rely 2234 01:46:53,830 --> 01:46:50,960 entirely on computer-generated you know 2235 01:46:56,380 --> 01:46:53,840 effects right because after a while even 2236 01:46:58,870 --> 01:46:56,390 the audience can get kind of jaded oh 2237 01:47:01,150 --> 01:46:58,880 they're just doing what I saw in the 2238 01:47:03,760 --> 01:47:01,160 other movie and you know but but again 2239 01:47:07,870 --> 01:47:03,770 there are some things where the computer 2240 01:47:11,770 --> 01:47:07,880 graphics these days are so good that you 2241 01:47:15,720 --> 01:47:11,780 almost can't tell I mean case in point 2242 01:47:18,550 --> 01:47:15,730 geez there are nine and ten year old 2243 01:47:20,500 --> 01:47:18,560 young men and women boys and girls out 2244 01:47:23,110 --> 01:47:20,510 there who sit in front of their 2245 01:47:26,620 --> 01:47:23,120 computers and they've got Photoshop and 2246 01:47:28,900 --> 01:47:26,630 every day they're coming up with not 2247 01:47:31,210 --> 01:47:28,910 only UFO images or little videos that go 2248 01:47:33,570 --> 01:47:31,220 viral instantly 2249 01:47:37,420 --> 01:47:33,580 that'll be funneling the skeptics 2250 01:47:39,970 --> 01:47:37,430 because the stuff looks so good and and 2251 01:47:43,180 --> 01:47:39,980 that's a big problem these days in 2252 01:47:46,450 --> 01:47:43,190 trying to investigate UFOs because until 2253 01:47:49,590 --> 01:47:46,460 until somebody comes forward and says 2254 01:47:53,440 --> 01:47:49,600 okay yeah I confess I did that etc etc 2255 01:47:56,410 --> 01:47:53,450 there's a lot of noise out there but if 2256 01:47:57,880 --> 01:47:56,420 you're using the technology that's 2257 01:48:00,340 --> 01:47:57,890 available to you well you can create 2258 01:48:03,310 --> 01:48:00,350 something that looks real and you're not 2259 01:48:05,650 --> 01:48:03,320 pretending to show it as if it's a 2260 01:48:08,110 --> 01:48:05,660 documentary you know that we had the 2261 01:48:10,600 --> 01:48:08,120 footage from 45 years ago if you're 2262 01:48:12,340 --> 01:48:10,610 you're straight with people and and and 2263 01:48:15,100 --> 01:48:12,350 you know you put you put things on the 2264 01:48:17,350 --> 01:48:15,110 screen and say this is a this is a 2265 01:48:19,900 --> 01:48:17,360 reenactment or whatever so people know 2266 01:48:23,200 --> 01:48:19,910 up front I've seen documentaries Martin 2267 01:48:25,540 --> 01:48:23,210 where as long as they they give me the 2268 01:48:27,580 --> 01:48:25,550 information on screen and they don't try 2269 01:48:29,890 --> 01:48:27,590 and pull the wool over my eyes and if it 2270 01:48:32,470 --> 01:48:29,900 says it's a reenactment if it's a really 2271 01:48:33,100 --> 01:48:32,480 good reenactment I'll get totally into 2272 01:48:35,919 --> 01:48:33,110 it 2273 01:48:38,140 --> 01:48:35,929 yeah yeah but I like them I think some 2274 01:48:40,510 --> 01:48:38,150 of them are really well done I know if 2275 01:48:42,640 --> 01:48:40,520 they did like four I'm trying to 2276 01:48:43,240 --> 01:48:42,650 unexplained mystery say I think that's 2277 01:48:45,310 --> 01:48:43,250 so 2278 01:48:47,680 --> 01:48:45,320 isn't that what that was called am i uh 2279 01:48:50,530 --> 01:48:47,690 you might be thinking of unsolved Misun 2280 01:48:53,530 --> 01:48:50,540 solve mysteries yeah they did yeah like 2281 01:48:54,729 --> 01:48:53,540 for the sakura incident like we were 2282 01:48:57,340 --> 01:48:54,739 talking about last week 2283 01:48:59,550 --> 01:48:57,350 hey we have a caller on the line call 2284 01:49:02,649 --> 01:48:59,560 your first name where you calling from 2285 01:49:04,240 --> 01:49:02,659 this is Ryan from South Carolina oh hey 2286 01:49:06,669 --> 01:49:04,250 Ryan Ryan is called in a few times 2287 01:49:07,720 --> 01:49:06,679 how are you I'm pretty good how about 2288 01:49:10,300 --> 01:49:07,730 you Martin good 2289 01:49:13,090 --> 01:49:10,310 I think Ryan Lee we would call our 2290 01:49:17,760 --> 01:49:13,100 resident skeptic who calls in or semi 2291 01:49:20,770 --> 01:49:17,770 static oh wait is it Ron or Ryan right 2292 01:49:22,479 --> 01:49:20,780 okay well nice to meet you thanks for 2293 01:49:24,459 --> 01:49:22,489 calling in you have a question for our 2294 01:49:28,479 --> 01:49:24,469 guest I do 2295 01:49:32,590 --> 01:49:28,489 no no skeptic stuff tonight I wanted to 2296 01:49:34,720 --> 01:49:32,600 ask I wanted to ask Lee um is there were 2297 01:49:36,280 --> 01:49:34,730 there any just brought up unsolved 2298 01:49:38,859 --> 01:49:36,290 mysteries and that's kind of subject of 2299 01:49:43,300 --> 01:49:38,869 a call I want to ask him is there any 2300 01:49:47,020 --> 01:49:43,310 show he worked on in this or in the 70s 2301 01:49:49,870 --> 01:49:47,030 or 80s that he is not commonly credited 2302 01:49:52,120 --> 01:49:49,880 with that he did work with as a 2303 01:49:53,859 --> 01:49:52,130 consultant right or anything like that 2304 01:49:55,120 --> 01:49:53,869 because I've heard I've heard some 2305 01:49:58,720 --> 01:49:55,130 things over the years that he has 2306 01:50:01,180 --> 01:49:58,730 contributed to some shows and not not 2307 01:50:07,840 --> 01:50:01,190 commonly credited with them I've 2308 01:50:10,300 --> 01:50:07,850 actually for me that's been more recent 2309 01:50:14,020 --> 01:50:10,310 that I've been on some shows at the 2310 01:50:17,370 --> 01:50:14,030 hangar 1 show last couple years and I've 2311 01:50:21,490 --> 01:50:17,380 been on a couple of actual longer 2312 01:50:25,870 --> 01:50:21,500 documentaries but going back to the 70s 2313 01:50:28,479 --> 01:50:25,880 and 80s no I I used to I used to be 2314 01:50:31,030 --> 01:50:28,489 interviewed on television shows 2315 01:50:34,629 --> 01:50:31,040 television talk shows and and and radio 2316 01:50:37,000 --> 01:50:34,639 programs but but I wasn't actually on 2317 01:50:40,300 --> 01:50:37,010 shows I don't believe that I didn't get 2318 01:50:43,540 --> 01:50:40,310 credit for because I think I think I 2319 01:50:47,229 --> 01:50:43,550 probably would have wanted even some 2320 01:50:49,689 --> 01:50:47,239 little bit of credit to acknowledge 2321 01:50:51,990 --> 01:50:49,699 the fact that I had something to do with 2322 01:50:54,069 --> 01:50:52,000 the information that was on the show 2323 01:50:56,470 --> 01:50:54,079 especially if it was credible 2324 01:50:57,790 --> 01:50:56,480 information but but more recently I've 2325 01:51:00,790 --> 01:50:57,800 been on I've been on I've been actually 2326 01:51:03,640 --> 01:51:00,800 on on-camera and contributed to some 2327 01:51:05,830 --> 01:51:03,650 other shows and I haven't been very 2328 01:51:07,720 --> 01:51:05,840 happy with the way some of these have 2329 01:51:13,300 --> 01:51:07,730 turned out I discovered the hard way 2330 01:51:16,120 --> 01:51:13,310 that you can you can be part of a what 2331 01:51:18,240 --> 01:51:16,130 seems to be a documentary and and 2332 01:51:21,640 --> 01:51:18,250 discover that the things that you said 2333 01:51:22,439 --> 01:51:21,650 during the interview with you in the 2334 01:51:25,810 --> 01:51:22,449 studio 2335 01:51:29,740 --> 01:51:25,820 that they can edit the things that you 2336 01:51:32,490 --> 01:51:29,750 say and take them out of context so that 2337 01:51:36,399 --> 01:51:32,500 when the final presentation is on screen 2338 01:51:36,970 --> 01:51:36,409 you go what I didn't exactly say it like 2339 01:51:39,370 --> 01:51:36,980 that 2340 01:51:41,709 --> 01:51:39,380 right and and there's like there's 2341 01:51:45,160 --> 01:51:41,719 nothing you can do because you do a lot 2342 01:51:46,899 --> 01:51:45,170 of these shows and you have to whether 2343 01:51:50,260 --> 01:51:46,909 whether they're paying you or not you 2344 01:51:52,569 --> 01:51:50,270 have to sign a waiver and a disclaimer 2345 01:51:55,479 --> 01:51:52,579 form that basically says I give 2346 01:51:59,410 --> 01:51:55,489 so-and-so production company the right 2347 01:52:02,890 --> 01:51:59,420 to use my likeness my face my words as 2348 01:52:05,740 --> 01:52:02,900 part of this production and man I got to 2349 01:52:08,140 --> 01:52:05,750 tell you I I wouldn't do that again and 2350 01:52:11,020 --> 01:52:08,150 and you know what this is one of the 2351 01:52:14,050 --> 01:52:11,030 reasons why I'm doing this program with 2352 01:52:18,459 --> 01:52:14,060 with James Fox because I I'm going to be 2353 01:52:21,339 --> 01:52:18,469 in this presentation as well as being on 2354 01:52:24,160 --> 01:52:21,349 the outskirts as a co-producer but I'm 2355 01:52:25,450 --> 01:52:24,170 gonna be on camera because I'm we're 2356 01:52:28,419 --> 01:52:25,460 gonna be doing something about my 2357 01:52:30,720 --> 01:52:28,429 encounter in North Carolina because it's 2358 01:52:34,510 --> 01:52:30,730 never really been done before on TV and 2359 01:52:37,629 --> 01:52:34,520 and I'm gonna be the one to do it and in 2360 01:52:40,720 --> 01:52:37,639 fact we may even we may even take the 2361 01:52:43,419 --> 01:52:40,730 camera to the actual field where this 2362 01:52:45,459 --> 01:52:43,429 all happened this is one of the things 2363 01:52:48,760 --> 01:52:45,469 I've found some of the police officers 2364 01:52:51,160 --> 01:52:48,770 that are still around and trying to 2365 01:52:53,830 --> 01:52:51,170 convince them that we should all go back 2366 01:52:55,990 --> 01:52:53,840 to this place and say here's where this 2367 01:52:58,209 --> 01:52:56,000 thing happened forty to forty three 2368 01:53:00,030 --> 01:52:58,219 years ago I think that could be very 2369 01:53:02,520 --> 01:53:00,040 powerful 2370 01:53:07,140 --> 01:53:02,530 and I want to be there I'm not gonna let 2371 01:53:09,090 --> 01:53:07,150 anybody else play me it's it's not a 2372 01:53:10,800 --> 01:53:09,100 it's not an ego thing it's like I want 2373 01:53:12,120 --> 01:53:10,810 to get it right and I'm the only one who 2374 01:53:15,360 --> 01:53:12,130 would know how to get that part of it 2375 01:53:19,140 --> 01:53:15,370 right yeah and James Fox knows how to 2376 01:53:20,280 --> 01:53:19,150 get it right right hey yeah hey Ryan 2377 01:53:23,190 --> 01:53:20,290 we're getting near the end of the show 2378 01:53:26,220 --> 01:53:23,200 thank you for your call just to be sure 2379 01:53:29,940 --> 01:53:26,230 it real quickly you never were contacted 2380 01:53:32,700 --> 01:53:29,950 by Alan Landsberg about his old series 2381 01:53:36,150 --> 01:53:32,710 in search of you know I don't think 2382 01:53:40,740 --> 01:53:36,160 actually he did not contact me I don't 2383 01:53:42,630 --> 01:53:40,750 think but I was in touch with him it was 2384 01:53:44,730 --> 01:53:42,640 it was either Ellensburg or Robert ham 2385 01:53:49,310 --> 01:53:44,740 and Egger I think the two of them were 2386 01:53:53,700 --> 01:53:49,320 partners back then and they both did a 2387 01:53:55,950 --> 01:53:53,710 I'm a book in a movie called UFOs past 2388 01:53:59,190 --> 01:53:55,960 present and future and I think that it 2389 01:54:04,140 --> 01:53:59,200 was Landsberg and Emma Nagar I I don't 2390 01:54:07,050 --> 01:54:04,150 think that he contacted me if he did he 2391 01:54:10,110 --> 01:54:07,060 might have been asking me if I had any 2392 01:54:13,440 --> 01:54:10,120 contact names or numbers of people who I 2393 01:54:16,770 --> 01:54:13,450 might have interviewed because if this 2394 01:54:20,460 --> 01:54:16,780 was in like the 19 late 1970s when I was 2395 01:54:22,410 --> 01:54:20,470 starting out at NBC he may have 2396 01:54:24,090 --> 01:54:22,420 contacted me and introduced himself and 2397 01:54:26,430 --> 01:54:24,100 said hey heard you on the radio talking 2398 01:54:27,960 --> 01:54:26,440 about this can you help me find this 2399 01:54:30,570 --> 01:54:27,970 person or someone and I would have 2400 01:54:32,310 --> 01:54:30,580 helped without the theories in the 2401 01:54:33,390 --> 01:54:32,320 series that followed the specials that 2402 01:54:35,370 --> 01:54:33,400 you're talking about they had some 2403 01:54:38,910 --> 01:54:35,380 classic episodes like the episode in 2404 01:54:41,520 --> 01:54:38,920 1980 called UFO cover-ups first time I 2405 01:54:43,470 --> 01:54:41,530 ever heard I Jesse Marcel a friend told 2406 01:54:45,600 --> 01:54:43,480 me once that you had somehow contribute 2407 01:54:48,500 --> 01:54:45,610 that episode but you're outside of 2408 01:54:53,010 --> 01:54:48,510 contacts it doesn't sound like it yeah I 2409 01:54:56,250 --> 01:54:53,020 I interviewed Jesse Marcel in I believe 2410 01:54:58,860 --> 01:54:56,260 late 1979 early 80 and that that that 2411 01:55:01,560 --> 01:54:58,870 happened because Stan Friedman hooked me 2412 01:55:04,800 --> 01:55:01,570 up with Jesse Marcel he was the first 2413 01:55:07,440 --> 01:55:04,810 person I ever interviewed who was there 2414 01:55:09,330 --> 01:55:07,450 at Roswell all those years ago and he 2415 01:55:10,500 --> 01:55:09,340 was happy to talk to me and I still have 2416 01:55:12,840 --> 01:55:10,510 the original interview that I did with 2417 01:55:15,690 --> 01:55:12,850 Jesse and it's great stuff and 2418 01:55:17,850 --> 01:55:15,700 it's always hard for me to hear 2419 01:55:20,460 --> 01:55:17,860 debunkers say I didn't know what he was 2420 01:55:22,770 --> 01:55:20,470 talking about he was making it all up he 2421 01:55:24,900 --> 01:55:22,780 wanted he wanted like to be the focus of 2422 01:55:28,170 --> 01:55:24,910 attention back then and I didn't have 2423 01:55:29,970 --> 01:55:28,180 that impression at all right um so yes 2424 01:55:30,720 --> 01:55:29,980 yeah I spoke I spoke with Jesse liked 2425 01:55:32,790 --> 01:55:30,730 him a lot 2426 01:55:33,920 --> 01:55:32,800 yeah yeah he seemed like a great guy 2427 01:55:37,280 --> 01:55:33,930 Thank You Ryan 2428 01:55:39,600 --> 01:55:37,290 okay thank you very much all right yeah 2429 01:55:39,900 --> 01:55:39,610 so yeah we only have a couple of minutes 2430 01:55:43,500 --> 01:55:39,910 left 2431 01:55:46,890 --> 01:55:43,510 um you know when James Fox was in 2432 01:55:48,750 --> 01:55:46,900 chasing UFOs when I brought that up to 2433 01:55:52,680 --> 01:55:48,760 him when he was on my show he kind of 2434 01:55:56,000 --> 01:55:52,690 like I know I know I know III always 2435 01:55:58,860 --> 01:55:56,010 know how to how to press his buttons on 2436 01:56:00,570 --> 01:55:58,870 well one of the things was he you 2437 01:56:02,160 --> 01:56:00,580 talking earlier about the cutting room 2438 01:56:05,400 --> 01:56:02,170 you know the editing room how they can 2439 01:56:08,130 --> 01:56:05,410 make it that was going on with those 2440 01:56:12,210 --> 01:56:08,140 shows because I talked to Travis Walton 2441 01:56:15,900 --> 01:56:12,220 he was very upset things just happened 2442 01:56:19,050 --> 01:56:15,910 in in the production of that that I'm 2443 01:56:23,220 --> 01:56:19,060 sure James is not even happy about you 2444 01:56:25,950 --> 01:56:23,230 know you know when you're filmmaker a 2445 01:56:28,710 --> 01:56:25,960 lot of the production stills the 2446 01:56:31,080 --> 01:56:28,720 promotional pictures that the network 2447 01:56:33,560 --> 01:56:31,090 put out about chasing UFOs they would 2448 01:56:36,060 --> 01:56:33,570 show like a picture of of James Fox 2449 01:56:38,820 --> 01:56:36,070 standing in the field with a big like 2450 01:56:41,460 --> 01:56:38,830 double layered military vest on and 2451 01:56:44,070 --> 01:56:41,470 holding one of these big video cameras 2452 01:56:46,620 --> 01:56:44,080 on his shoulders and looking really mean 2453 01:56:50,160 --> 01:56:46,630 just before starting to run out into the 2454 01:56:52,680 --> 01:56:50,170 field oh my god hey ask him about that 2455 01:56:54,720 --> 01:56:52,690 sometime and just listen listen to his 2456 01:56:55,980 --> 01:56:54,730 response well the funny I think the 2457 01:56:57,090 --> 01:56:55,990 funniest part of that shows when they 2458 01:56:59,370 --> 01:56:57,100 were walking around with a night vision 2459 01:57:00,930 --> 01:56:59,380 dangling in front of them oh you know oh 2460 01:57:04,500 --> 01:57:00,940 my god I know 2461 01:57:08,040 --> 01:57:04,510 I know it's like you know like like the 2462 01:57:09,990 --> 01:57:08,050 phrase get me get me out of here my 2463 01:57:12,360 --> 01:57:10,000 friend my old friend Robin Robin leech 2464 01:57:15,810 --> 01:57:12,370 was on a show for a few weeks on ABC 2465 01:57:18,450 --> 01:57:15,820 called it was a take-off on Survivor and 2466 01:57:24,180 --> 01:57:18,460 it was called I'm a celebrity get me out 2467 01:57:25,620 --> 01:57:24,190 of here so Lee I'm really looking 2468 01:57:26,700 --> 01:57:25,630 forward to this movie is there anything 2469 01:57:27,930 --> 01:57:26,710 else 2470 01:57:30,360 --> 01:57:27,940 you want to wrap the show up with 2471 01:57:33,270 --> 01:57:30,370 anything any plans that you want to talk 2472 01:57:36,330 --> 01:57:33,280 about or language I would just say to 2473 01:57:38,430 --> 01:57:36,340 anybody out there listening who was 2474 01:57:43,010 --> 01:57:38,440 really interested in the UFO field or 2475 01:57:48,150 --> 01:57:43,020 this subject please don't believe 2476 01:57:49,920 --> 01:57:48,160 everything that you read or see I say 2477 01:57:52,170 --> 01:57:49,930 that when I when I begin a presentation 2478 01:57:54,240 --> 01:57:52,180 or a lecture somewhere it's the first 2479 01:57:55,890 --> 01:57:54,250 thing I say to an audience is thank you 2480 01:57:57,660 --> 01:57:55,900 all for coming here and by the way 2481 01:57:59,130 --> 01:57:57,670 please don't believe anything I'm going 2482 01:58:02,130 --> 01:57:59,140 to tell you over the next hour and 20 2483 01:58:05,160 --> 01:58:02,140 minutes it's it's it's more important 2484 01:58:07,380 --> 01:58:05,170 that you come away with the information 2485 01:58:09,450 --> 01:58:07,390 that I'm gonna give you can you go out 2486 01:58:12,300 --> 01:58:09,460 and and move on that find some more 2487 01:58:15,209 --> 01:58:12,310 information make it stick for you make 2488 01:58:18,180 --> 01:58:15,219 it have some meaning for you don't just 2489 01:58:21,510 --> 01:58:18,190 believe what people tell you don't trust 2490 01:58:22,620 --> 01:58:21,520 everybody and you know when it resonates 2491 01:58:24,300 --> 01:58:22,630 with you mm-hmm 2492 01:58:25,979 --> 01:58:24,310 I mean you you really will know it you 2493 01:58:27,930 --> 01:58:25,989 there won't be a lot of doubt because 2494 01:58:29,190 --> 01:58:27,940 because it's not gonna come from our 2495 01:58:33,090 --> 01:58:29,200 government it's not gonna come from the 2496 01:58:35,610 --> 01:58:33,100 United Nations a UFO trust me is not 2497 01:58:38,130 --> 01:58:35,620 gonna land on the White House lawn or in 2498 01:58:40,890 --> 01:58:38,140 front of the Kremlin ain't gonna happen 2499 01:58:43,290 --> 01:58:40,900 yeah it's not part of what the overall 2500 01:58:45,300 --> 01:58:43,300 scheme of things is I don't know what 2501 01:58:47,970 --> 01:58:45,310 the scheme of things is but those things 2502 01:58:50,580 --> 01:58:47,980 are not going to happen so you got to 2503 01:58:52,740 --> 01:58:50,590 find other ways to convince yourself or 2504 01:58:54,720 --> 01:58:52,750 believe that there's something really 2505 01:58:55,440 --> 01:58:54,730 out there that's credible that's worth 2506 01:58:57,959 --> 01:58:55,450 looking into 2507 01:58:59,940 --> 01:58:57,969 thanks so much Lee always a great 2508 01:59:02,520 --> 01:58:59,950 pleasure to have you on the show and 2509 01:59:04,290 --> 01:59:02,530 thank you all right you take care and 2510 01:59:06,979 --> 01:59:04,300 I'll talk to you soon all right that's 2511 01:59:09,840 --> 01:59:06,989 good all right good night now all right 2512 01:59:11,729 --> 01:59:09,850 all right everyone so that's it for the 2513 01:59:14,070 --> 01:59:11,739 show and I want to thank you you're 2514 01:59:16,920 --> 01:59:14,080 either a supporter of the show listening 2515 01:59:18,209 --> 01:59:16,930 to the full show or you are listening 2516 01:59:20,880 --> 01:59:18,219 live thanks so much 2517 01:59:24,750 --> 01:59:20,890 either way and we'll be back next week 2518 01:59:27,990 --> 01:59:24,760 with Jeremy Korbel it should be an 2519 01:59:30,750 --> 01:59:28,000 interesting show and again thanks so 2520 01:59:33,370 --> 01:59:30,760 much and remember to keep your eyes to